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RS_flyer New Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2017 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:57 am Post subject: Vibrato |
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Does anyone have any tips to learn vibrato? I've been told both about shaking the trumpet and making a yawning sound to create the effect. Is one method better than the other? Are there other methods commonly used? _________________ --RS |
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 May 2013 Posts: 2123 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Here's a video lesson from two very good British Brass Band cornet players, Richard Marshall and Roger Webster. The vibrato they use might be faster and deeper than might be suitable for the music you play, but their tips on how to develop vibrato skills are good.
Here's a video lesson from Barbara Hull on using hand vibrato with trumpet playing. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
Cornet Getzen Custom 3850S
Flugelhorn Courtois 155R
Piccolo Stomvi |
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2016 Posts: 763
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Vibrato |
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RS_flyer wrote: | Does anyone have any tips to learn vibrato? I've been told both about shaking the trumpet and making a yawning sound to create the effect. Is one method better than the other? Are there other methods commonly used? |
Will it be more easy or difficult to work on your vibrato now that you have your five posts, and your Bach trumpet in the marketplace? |
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Mr.ozinsky New Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2017 Posts: 5 Location: Cheyenne, WY
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Vibrato |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: | RS_flyer wrote: | Does anyone have any tips to learn vibrato? I've been told both about shaking the trumpet and making a yawning sound to create the effect. Is one method better than the other? Are there other methods commonly used? |
Will it be more easy or difficult to work on your vibrato now that you have your five posts, and your Bach trumpet in the marketplace? |
It's okay, grammar is hard.
I typically teach two kinds of vibrato. A hand vibrato on the lead pipe, and a jaw vibrato. I find both work well depending on the situation. Both can be self taught based on listening and recreating a desired sound. Just like everything else on the horn, it takes time. _________________ Andy Mrozinsky
Trumpet instructor Laramie County CC
Colorado Wind Ensemble
Cheyenne Symphony |
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Anthony Barrington New Member
Joined: 07 Aug 2015 Posts: 8 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Listen to some great trumpeters and imitate their vibrato. But also learn when to NOT use vibrato (refer to Leonore trumpet calls) |
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2016 Posts: 763
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vibrato |
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Mr.ozinsky wrote: | trumpet.sanity wrote: | RS_flyer wrote: | Does anyone have any tips to learn vibrato? I've been told both about shaking the trumpet and making a yawning sound to create the effect. Is one method better than the other? Are there other methods commonly used? |
Will it be more easy or difficult to work on your vibrato now that you have your five posts, and your Bach trumpet in the marketplace? |
It's okay, grammar is hard. . |
I enjoy good snark and being so very clever to catch grammar errors found on Internet forums. Well done on both fronts.
That said, you're answering questions, and being the internet froum "helper" for a ghost. The OP made five quick posts, so he was able to post and try and sell a trumpet in the market place.
So I guess I'd rather have less than perfect grammar usage, instead of being a chump. |
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ATrumpetBrony Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Dec 2015 Posts: 152 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Vibrato |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: |
I enjoy good snark and being so very clever to catch grammar errors found on Internet forums. Well done on both fronts.
That said, you're answering questions, and being the internet froum "helper" for a ghost. The OP made five quick posts, so he was able to post and try and sell a trumpet in the market place.
So I guess I'd rather have less than perfect grammar usage, instead of being a chump. |
trumpet.sanity, I've said it before - it was funny the first time. Now I feel like these sort of "attacks" on ALL new people are a little bit malicious. For every guy coming in to do make a buck on his horn, there comes 6 guys genuinely looking for help with their playing. I mean, clearly this method of "pointing them out" doesn't work, eh? Given that folks are still streaming in and getting their stuff posted. Sure, it brings a public eye to the "issue" (if it really even is that), but ultimately I don't see anyone else complaining, and I furthermore don't see the "problem" being solved by posts like this.
I mean, take from this what you want to... I don't mean to defend or condone stuff like that (signing up here just to get a horn sold), but it sort of tarnishes the freedom of the community when every single newcomer is scrutinized on their fifth post to see if they're "true" or not. _________________ ATB
It's not what you play...
It's HOW you play |
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2016 Posts: 763
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Vibrato |
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ATrumpetBrony wrote: | trumpet.sanity wrote: |
I enjoy good snark and being so very clever to catch grammar errors found on Internet forums. Well done on both fronts.
That said, you're answering questions, and being the internet froum "helper" for a ghost. The OP made five quick posts, so he was able to post and try and sell a trumpet in the market place.
So I guess I'd rather have less than perfect grammar usage, instead of being a chump. |
trumpet.sanity, I've said it before - it was funny the first time. Now I feel like these sort of "attacks" on ALL new people are a little bit malicious. For every guy coming in to do make a buck on his horn, there comes 6 guys genuinely looking for help with their playing. I mean, clearly this method of "pointing them out" doesn't work, eh? Given that folks are still streaming in and getting their stuff posted. Sure, it brings a public eye to the "issue" (if it really even is that), but ultimately I don't see anyone else complaining, and I furthermore don't see the "problem" being solved by posts like this.
I mean, take from this what you want to... I don't mean to defend or condone stuff like that (signing up here just to get a horn sold), but it sort of tarnishes the freedom of the community when every single newcomer is scrutinized on their fifth post to see if they're "true" or not. |
I think you're exaggerating....this guy, the OP made his five posts, tried to sell his Bach immediately after his fifth post then disappeared.
I may have made ONE other comment about a poster with his five posts. You can check if you like.
Finally the guy who's post I was responding to made a snarky comment about my grammar, which...whatever...then I was informing him he was responding to the OP who is a ghost since his 5th post, and possible sale in the market place.
I appreciate your jumping in, and looking out for the "perceived bullied" new guy but, you can check my posts. I think I've made a total of two comments about 5 time fly-by posters to get the ability to sell in the market place. |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 7769 Location: Des Moines, IA area
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:25 am Post subject: |
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If the OPer is still interested, I'll offer the following:
For easiest vibrato production, start with a slight back and forth (almost circular) motion of your right hand as you sustain an easily-produced tone. The movement must come from a relaxed wrist, like the vibrato produced by string players and one should not attempt to "shake" the instrument- just a subtle movement that is transferred from the fingertips to the valve buttons. It will not take much effort if the wrist is relaxed and free. On long tones one can begin with an eighth note pattern, then move to eighth note triplets, then to sixteenth notes, etc., controlling the rhythm and tone. Listen carefully to the sound and do not let the pitch sag flat as you do this. Once you control the rhythmic motions you should start accelerating and slowing the effect, and through musical expression and lots of listening to fine singers and players of other instruments (as well as trumpet players), you'll learn how to turn it on and off effectively.
For what I'd label "jaw" vibrato, i suggest one start with long tone production using a "too-woo-woo-woo" effect- "too" being the initial breath release and the "woo-woo..." motion being used through the sustained tone. Again, movement must be subtle and relaxed or you'll sound nervous if you affect the tone with any vibrato effect at all. The rest of the wrist/hand vibrato suggestions above can then be applied to this, especially the note not to allow the pitch to go flat as one is creating the effect.
It is also possible to use a breathing apparatus/"diaphragm" vibrato as used by most flute players but I have never found much use for it on trumpet. perhaps I just don't attempt it since the jaw and wrist vibratos cover most of what I need from Mariachi to symphonic playing. Good luck. |
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BradJones New Member
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 Posts: 5 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:25 am Post subject: |
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A lot of players in British Brass Bands will move their lips to create vibrato. I don't know how much I would recommend this method though. |
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mk-trumpet Regular Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Why not using the smartest method to create vibrato: with the tongue?
With up and down movement of the tongue you can create slow, quick, hard, soft vibratos and you don't see anything from outside. _________________ http://www.kinle.com/eindex.html |
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