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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:10 am Post subject: See if you can guess why this happened. |
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So, last night I was part of a recording. The subject of the recording was a new school song, for a new high school that doesn't actually exist yet.
Since there are no students, there is no band, or even a band hall yet. But the school song has been written.
Now, I'm curious if anyone can guess *why* they need a recording of this school song, when there are no students and not a single class will be held for quite a long time.
What do you think the critical event is that requires a recording of a school song? _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9024 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: |
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If you got paid, what does it matter? If you did it for free, why? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12663 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: Re: See if you can guess why this happened. |
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RandyTX wrote: | So, last night I was part of a recording. The subject of the recording was a new school song, for a new high school that doesn't actually exist yet.
Since there are no students, there is no band, or even a band hall yet. But the school song has been written.
Now, I'm curious if anyone can guess *why* they need a recording of this school song, when there are no students and not a single class will be held for quite a long time.
What do you think the critical event is that requires a recording of a school song? |
You are in Texas, so it must be for the football stadium fundraising efforts. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8333 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: See if you can guess why this happened. |
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LittleRusty wrote: | You are in Texas, so it must be for the football stadium fundraising efforts. |
That would be my guess, as well. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty close actually, except for one small issue.
In Texas, funding of a football stadium is *never* a problem. Textbooks for math or english classes required by the state? Sure. That could be a real problem, and a recurring one in many districts.
A new piano for the choir teacher, or maybe a sousaphone for the band? Absolutely. Sell band candles, magazines, candy bars, or perhaps even mattresses.
No, the reason they need the alma mater recorded now, even though school doesn't start until the fall is... for the *dedication* of the all important football stadium. So they can start worshipping the altar of football long before the kids that will be playing are enrolled in the school. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Randy's experience does not surprise me in the least, and this situation is a pet peeve of mine. I'm from Chicago, been in Houston since '95. Generally speaking, I do like Texas, but the insane amounts of money that is spent on high school football here is, well, insane. Multi million dollar stadiums that would rival many college stadiums, there is an absolute obsession with high school football. Honestly, I think there are a lot of guys
here who can't let go of their "glory days", and/or live vicariously through kids. I want to tell some of these guys "it's frickin' HIGH SCHOOL."
I believe this also has trickled down into school music departments, UIL (University Interscholastic League) dictates that school music contests receive WAY too much importance; in many schools the pressure to do well at contest results in school band directors spending inordinate amounts of time on contest material, and that results in little time spent on sight reading, exposing kids to other music genres, etc. I have no problem with kids perfecting a piece of music, and competition absolutely has benefits, but not when other important areas are neglected. School music is supposed to be focused primarily on learning, and I'm not sure that spending the majority of time working on a small amount of contest music is "learning."
Drives me NUTS, and it's a disservice to kids.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 7770 Location: Des Moines, IA area
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you still need a mascot, I recommend taking one from Batiuk and become "The Scapegoats".
I guess during all the time I spent teaching I never really got bothered by the athletic tail trying to wag the academic dog. It's the way things are, and in many places, there'll be more people attending the athletic events than anything else (including classes in most of the joints I taught ) so what's the big deal? About the only time I got in anyone's face was the last year I taught public ed: Inner city HS, 4A (largest enrollment size) with very small band program. We had a show for all 5 home FB games, NFBD, then, because the students had helped create a kick-ass pep band (I somehow was blessed with an outstanding guitar, bass and kit player rhythm section who'd take off work and show up), we elected to play nearly all the home BB games rather than the required 4. Fun, right? Nope, the team (we're talking da 'hood) wanted all loud rap music piped in on the sound system during their initial warm up and wouldn't shut it off for us to play. Tried to negotiate with the AD but he didn't want to "offend" the team. So we sat one night, after which I got the Metro Lyrics for all the junk they were playing and read them out loud to the HS principal. God, did he try to wiggle out of it but NFW. I'd also provided them to a few responsible parents as well who dropped by on occasions. Under normal conditions I'd have just chucked it all and done only 4 games, in the end I think it was worth it. Damn! It's great to be retired- almost every day is a Saturday or a snow day. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12663 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | Nope, the team (we're talking da 'hood) wanted all loud rap music piped in on the sound system during their initial warm up and wouldn't shut it off for us to play. Tried to negotiate with the AD but he didn't want to "offend" the team. So we sat one night, after which I got the Metro Lyrics for all the junk they were playing and read them out loud to the HS principal. God, did he try to wiggle out of it but NFW. I'd also provided them to a few responsible parents as well who dropped by on occasions. Under normal conditions I'd have just chucked it all and done only 4 games, in the end I think it was worth it. Damn! It's great to be retired- almost every day is a Saturday or a snow day. |
I was walking to get some lunch today and there was a car in the parking lot treating us to his stereo system. He was playing some rap music and I must admit the performer sure could hit that same pitch over and over. Never hit another pitch the whole song. And not only that the repeated rhythms of the music were identical each of the three dozen times they were repeated.
Plus I got to hear those wonderful Metro Lyrics. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I understand the realities; school sports programs generally get the majority of funding and attention. It is different in Texas (at least different from Illinois), the money and emphasis high school football here gets is way beyond just out of proportion. I'm in no way anti-sports/athletics, I just don't get the high school football thing here, probably because I'm not from here.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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I have a cousin who ran an award-winning high school orchestral program in TX. I have no doubt many of their students go on to academic and performing careers.
They didn't however have any involvement with the football program.
I personally find football in particular to be dumb. Besides the factionalism of many sports and the fandom therof, there's a high likelihood of injury - the focus of the game is to bash into the other players. Seems pretty stupid to go through the rest of your life with a blown out knee etc. because of a sport you played in high school.
I'm sure I could have played - 6'4", do okay in the weight room but even then I just found the mentality offputting. I'm guessing some really high percentage of cops - who as a group I have ambivalent feelings about - played football. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | I have a cousin who ran an award-winning high school orchestral program in TX. I have no doubt many of their students go on to academic and performing careers.
They didn't however have any involvement with the football program.
I personally find football in particular to be dumb. Besides the factionalism of many sports and the fandom therof, there's a high likelihood of injury - the focus of the game is to bash into the other players. Seems pretty stupid to go through the rest of your life with a blown out knee etc. because of a sport you played in high school.
I'm sure I could have played - 6'4", do okay in the weight room but even then I just found the mentality offputting. I'm guessing some really high percentage of cops - who as a group I have ambivalent feelings about - played football. |
Just my two cents: I don't have any positive or negative feelings about football or sports in general (I never played as a kid, but did get involved in running marathons and triathlons as an adult, so while I'm not a sports fan per se, I understand them to some degree). The problem I have with high school football here in Texas is the almost rabid fan-dom and TAX MONEY spent on the incredibly expensive massive stadiums, for HIGH SCHOOL KIDS to play the game. Which sometimes results in spoiled brats like Johnny Manzel, who are catered to all through high school and college and become...spoiled brats. Hey, the discipline and work that kids put in to play is great, and great things for their development into adults, it's the ADULTS who go overboard with the whole activity that drives me nuts.
Regarding cops: sure, there are some who are testosterone-poisoned idiots, just like there are idiots in every profession, but I do think in general they are well intentioned people who do a difficult and necessary job that I would not want to do. I've run into a couple of questionable ones (occasional traffic stops, where I was at fault), but a good way to handle those situations is to be polite; becoming rude, hostile and uncooperative with ANY cop is not likely to yield results you will like.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | I understand the realities; school sports programs generally get the majority of funding and attention. It is different in Texas (at least different from Illinois), the money and emphasis high school football here gets is way beyond just out of proportion. I'm in no way anti-sports/athletics, I just don't get the high school football thing here, probably because I'm not from here.
Brad | C'mon, Brad- long bus rides to/from away games in the back of a bouncy school bus with some hot and sweaty cheerleaders??? Way easier for most FB players to get chicks than trumpet players. And think about the poor suckers playing double reeds... They can't even bring their reed knives to school any longer for support. |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | And think about the poor suckers playing double reeds... They can't even bring their reed knives to school any longer for support. |
I know you were partly making a joke relative to the football players here, but I never thought about the reed knife problem for students. I'm guessing that is likely true in most (if not all) schools today. Perhaps even at the college level?
/sigh _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away."
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:45 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | I was walking to get some lunch today and there was a car in the parking lot treating us to his stereo system. He was playing some rap music and I must admit the performer sure could hit that same pitch over and over. Never hit another pitch the whole song. And not only that the repeated rhythms of the music were identical each of the three dozen times they were repeated. |
There are a few exceptions. I think Flo Rida has a song of recent vintage that actually has 5 notes in the melody, though they are all in the scale and no accidentals. No seriously, I counted them. A whopping 5 notes. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | LittleRusty wrote: | I was walking to get some lunch today and there was a car in the parking lot treating us to his stereo system. He was playing some rap music and I must admit the performer sure could hit that same pitch over and over. Never hit another pitch the whole song. And not only that the repeated rhythms of the music were identical each of the three dozen times they were repeated. |
There are a few exceptions. I think Flo Rida has a song of recent vintage that actually has 5 notes in the melody, though they are all in the scale and no accidentals. No seriously, I counted them. A whopping 5 notes. |
And what's your point? Are you suggesting that these rap and hip hop guys should actually have as much understanding of basic music theory as the average high school sophomore band kid? That might require some study, practice, and preparation. Geez man, that's WAY too much work.😉😉
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | Craig Swartz wrote: | And think about the poor suckers playing double reeds... They can't even bring their reed knives to school any longer for support. |
I know you were partly making a joke relative to the football players here, but I never thought about the reed knife problem for students. I'm guessing that is likely true in most (if not all) schools today. Perhaps even at the college level?
/sigh | I was blessed with a remarkable young oboist who, using Jay Light's reed making text along with my help, began making her own reeds in 8th grade. (Jay taught at Drake U in DM for a hundred years and was our principal oboist as well and literally "wrote the book" on reed making in a manner that can be understood. We were able to not only make reeds that worked but also to adjust store-bought reeds for the other kid who played. Both were honor students but we had to ditch the knife near the end of her 8th grade year due to the idiots in charge thinking it was a weapon. Some educators... |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | I understand the realities; school sports programs generally get the majority of funding and attention. It is different in Texas (at least different from Illinois), the money and emphasis high school football here gets is way beyond just out of proportion. I'm in no way anti-sports/athletics, I just don't get the high school football thing here, probably because I'm not from here.
Brad | C'mon, Brad- long bus rides to/from away games in the back of a bouncy school bus with some hot and sweaty cheerleaders??? Way easier for most FB players to get chicks than trumpet players. And think about the poor suckers playing double reeds... They can't even bring their reed knives to school any longer for support. |
Hey, don't go messing up my rant with cold hard facts, Mr. I'm Retired So I No Longer Have To Deal With Public School Nonsense And Stupidity, ok?? Geeez!!
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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At least you didn't call me a Geezer... Had to double check. I do hope you make it to retirement, though. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | At least you didn't call me a Geezer... Had to double check. I do hope you make it to retirement, though. |
Since I'm geezer-age myself, of course not!
But off topic, there is this:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/moving-to-iowa/amp/
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Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Hell- I'm here! (well, at least half the year.) That ought to be reason enough.
Man, that State Fair thing... I'm always in MN for that unless they hire the symphony to come play the opening. (Did last year.) Fried foods have a huge effect- you measure a lot of the women walking around the IA State Fair not by inches but by axe handles... |
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