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Are there any major (definition at your discretion) symphony players who also play in swing/stage/jazz bands?
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Not current, but Ray Crisara played with the Metropolitan Opera and the NBC Symphony, then became a first call studio player in NYC, building a reputation as a dependable lead and section player in all kinds of styles.
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Bill Lucas comes to mind.
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| tomba51 wrote: | | Not current, but Ray Crisara played with the Metropolitan Opera and the NBC Symphony, then became a first call studio player in NYC, building a reputation as a dependable lead and section player in all kinds of styles. |
Mr. Crisara is a personal and musical hero of mine. Are there any recordings of him playing in a big band - especially lead? I know the Broadway show recordings, the singing monks, the Glenn Gould Hindemith, the more legit recordings, and of course the disco piccolo, but I've never tracked down any big band work with him. I'd love to hear it.
My first thought for the OP would be Mark Gould. |
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| JoseLindE4 wrote: | | tomba51 wrote: | | Not current, but Ray Crisara played with the Metropolitan Opera and the NBC Symphony, then became a first call studio player in NYC, building a reputation as a dependable lead and section player in all kinds of styles. |
Mr. Crisara is a personal and musical hero of mine. Are there any recordings of him playing in a big band - especially lead? I know the Broadway show recordings, the singing monks, the Glenn Gould Hindemith, the more legit recordings, and of course the disco piccolo, but I've never tracked down any big band work with him. I'd love to hear it.
My first thought for the OP would be Mark Gould. |
As far as I know, Ray Crisara did not record with any of the "name' big bands, but his reputation as a commercial player came from recordings backing singers, advertising jingles, and TV/movie soundtracks.
Both Ray himself and Jimmy Maxwell told me that this was the kind of work that Ray Crisara mostly did. Jimmy Maxwell told me that he regarded Ray as one of the finest lead players in NYC.
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Don Thomas, from the Dallas/Ft.Worth area was a top L.A. lead trumpet studio player.
He moved to the Dallas area and was (I believe) 3rd trumpet in the Ft. Worth Symphony. I also believe he was the symphony's personnel manager.
During this time, he was the area's first-call studio lead trumpet and a true badass, screaming, powerhouse player.
He was from the same era as Ray Crisara and Don Jacoby. |
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Chris Gekker at the U of Maryland Music school performs with orchestras everywhere and can hold his own in a jazz band setting. Guy improvises, can play the Brandenburg 2, and is a noted teacher. What's not to like.
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Mario Guarneri - he played with Louis Armstrong at the age of 13, spent 15 years in the LA Philharmonic, played with the Barnum and Bailey Circus, performed solos for movie soundtracks like Lonesome Dove, Godfather III, had his own Dixieland band, and still plays as part of a jazz quartet while teaching at the SF Conservatory. Oh, and he also invented the Berp.
Truly an all-round trumpeter.
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I've heard Charles Lazarus (currently with the Minnesota Orchestra) in some really fun concerts.
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Allen Vizutti works both sides of the aisle.
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| tomcherv wrote: | | I've heard Charles Lazarus (currently with the Minnesota Orchestra) in some really fun concerts. |
Lazarus is absolutely amazing either in his tux in the back row or playing with his jazz combo. MN Orch has their own jazz group, even conductor Osmo performs with them on clarinet.
Not really a first tier orchestra, but years back, U of Iowa prof John Beer played as many dance/jazz gigs as he did orchestra with Quad Cities and other symphony groups. He was about as strong a player as anyone ever heard in either position, as well as being a phenomenal teacher.
Perhaps one of the reasons players don't seem to do both any longer is that there are infinitely fewer gigs of any type available these days as there were back in the 1940s-1990s. Seems people would rather listen to recorded music than live, or at least do not want to pay for it. Pity. |
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| Word on the street is that Bud Herseth played in a dance band back in the day...he also has a degree in mathematics. |
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| tomba51 wrote: | | Both Ray himself and Jimmy Maxwell told me that this was the kind of work that Ray Crisara mostly did. Jimmy Maxwell told me that he regarded Ray as one of the finest lead players in NYC. |
It's so nice to read about Jimmy - a big band player who also played his fair share of symphony gigs. I was lucky to meet him and get to play for him when I was first starting out, toward the end of his life. So many wonderful stories, and such wisdom and kindness.
Actually, maybe I should search to see if there's been a thread with former Jimmy students, or at least those who have used his book The First Trumpeter - which I love (even though I don't really do the mouthpiece thing).
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Actually, maybe I should search to see if there's been a thread with former Jimmy students, or at least those who have used his book The First Trumpeter - which I love (even though I don't really do the mouthpiece thing). |
Yes there is!
http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=99786&sid=f2df8f569b388c37c4bc8c597ce45212
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| Everyone in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area would say "Don Thomas".. but probably guys getting close to getting their AARP cards in the mailbox.. |
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| LaTrompeta wrote: | | Word on the street is that Bud Herseth played in a dance band back in the day...he also has a degree in mathematics. |
He talks about this in the interview that was in The Instrumentalist in the 1970s. If I remember correctly he played in a dance band during his time in the service during WW II. Cited the lead player as an influence on him.
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Matthias Hoefs from German Brass and Mark Inouye play all styles of everything.
The very definition of FREAKSHOW players, imo.
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| tomba51 wrote: | | Not current, but Ray Crisara played with the Metropolitan Opera and the NBC Symphony, then became a first call studio player in NYC, building a reputation as a dependable lead and section player in all kinds of styles. |
If there are any videos of the old Dick Cavett show Mr. Crisara played in that band, The Bobby Rosengarten Orchestra.
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