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As with any style of music, part of mastery comes from hundreds (if not thousands) of hours of listening to the best in the idiom. Irakere, Ray Vega, Chocolate, Perico, Brian Lynch...
Transcribe their solos. Learn the trumpet parts to your favorite songs by ear. Watch instructional videos on conga drumming and salsa dancing.
The first thing to notice about playing in clave is the difference in sound and feel of 2-3 and 3-2. Notice that melody lines (composed or improvised) tend to avoid hitting strong on the downbeat when the rhythm is on the 3 side of the clave, but on the 2 side the downbeat is a strong melodic beat.
LISTEN!
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rufflicks
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Trumpetmannj
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| Listen a lot. Larry Harlow, and gran combo are good bands to start with. You are going to suck when you start and not even realize it because the horn lines are written around the clave and until you can internalize it you won't have any idea how to swing. This doesn't come naturally it takes a while. Count everything in 2 nothing in 4/4. in New York, when there was a healthy Latin scene most horn sections danced. That actually helps some. |
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Mac Gollehon
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| I played in many of the great bands of the late 70 s and early 80s era such as Hector Lavoe and Larry Harlow just to name 2. However the recordings that I played on that remain my favs are from 1979-1982 with Richie Ray and Bobby Cruz. Two trumpets were Ray Maldonado and myself with some featured guests solos from Doc Cheatham. Great arrangements although the lyrics had moved to an evangelist direction but very well played. By the late 80s salsa took a back seat to a more romantica and over produced sound. Say what you want about today's salsa scene it pales in comparison to what was out there in the prime time of the era. I was there and I know. Every set ended and the entire band was drenched with sweat. Don't hear that much sweat today. So probably the most real part of that scene for authenticity is 1972 on thru into some spillover into the early 2000s. Most of the real legends passed on. Listen on and find what inspires you and hopefully to fresh new directions so the music doesn't turn into a dull museum environment of neoclassical venues like so many other genres have. |
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lipshurt
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Very well stated Mac
"Old school" comes back every so often and the old school (late 70's) bands usually have a better audience, and like you say, its a lot more work, but an invigorating kind of pump up that gets you playing with a lot efficiency and your chops feel great, and you feel like really did something.
On gigs where the tunes are "current" or recent, its like the people would rather hear the DJ. The playing is a different kind of challenge. The bones are way more refined and the trumpet parts are not as high, and not as interesting, and less soloing. I've been doing it regularly (a few a week) since about 1988 and that is what i notice. I still like doing it though
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