Bach 7E Equivalent?

dpwatson · Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:19 pm Post subject: Bach 7E Equivalent?

I'm starting to play piccolo (a Stomvi Elite with trumpet receiver) and have had the most success with the Bach 7E. The articulation is pretty clear and my range is decent considering I've only played piccolo for a few months. I have a long way to go of course.

The 7E feels maybe slightly too small for my liking, whereas the Schilke 14A4a is a bit big. I also think my intonation on the 7E isn't the greatest. For orchestral playing I use a Bach 1-1/4C.

I'm having a hard time finding a consistent mouthpiece equivalence chart. Would anyone be able to recommend a different mouthpiece that is comparable to the 7E? I know of the Schilke 11A/X, and I believe the Yamaha 11A4? But what about Marcinkiewicz, Jet Tone, Stork, etc.

Conversely, would a cornet 7E with a GR piccolo adapter help with my intonation issues? Are the adapters generally beneficial when cornet receivers aren't an option?

Thank you for any input you might offer me.

JVL · Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject:

Hello
Maybe try a 7D...
Or in Marcinkiewicz 7PB with a #28 throat or 7PD/7E with #27 throat.
But you said the 7E is too small..if so, their number 10 in standard serie would suit...
Best

Al Innella · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:35 am Post subject:

Hi dpwatson,

Check out at Warburton's web site.I think their 5sv top is worth a try.It's a bit bigger than the Bach 7E but smaller than Schilke's 14A4a.

JVL · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:09 am Post subject:

Al Innella is right, Warburton have a very large choice, and if their rim contour is ok for you, you should find something that suit.

snichols · Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Bach 7E Equivalent?

snichols · Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject:

And you know, while I'm at it, not to hijack your thread too much, but I'm actually curious about a Curry equivalent for a Bach 7 rim. Would it be Curry's 8.5 rim?

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AJCarter · Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 12:58 pm Post subject:

Yamaha 11A5. Its great and feels much better than 7E of any brand.
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trptmindfk · Regular Member Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Posts: 70

I read that Maurice Andre played both 7E and 7D. I have played the 7E on the picc and know what you mean. It can feel too small, so I tried the 7D...very cool! Slightly bigger cup, fatter sound and still has lots of leverage.

However, since the 7E comes standard with the 117 backbore (a must for the picc), you have to special order the 7D to get the 117 BB. Otherwise you get the standard BB on the 7D which is very tight!

dr_trumpet · Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject:

zaferis · Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:57 am Post subject:

B. Scriver · Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 5:40 am Post subject:

GR has digitized the 11AX and 7E. They are almost the same. The 11ax is very close.

The best choices are the Haefner 7H*P, 7HP, GR 64.4P, 64P.

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http://grmouthpieces.com/mouthpieces-1.html

JoeLoeffler · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 243

The 7E is a pretty standard picc mouthpiece that seems to work for a large number of folks, I would give it a bit longer until you get a better handle on the small horn. (with the caveat that for some reason some horns really do play better with either a Schilke 11AX [Schilke P5-4, P7] or 7E [most Yamahas] but not equally well with both for some reason...)

If your pitch problems are that you go sharp as you go higher, you likely have too much lip in the cup and/or an aperture that is too small. Remember that the 7E has a smaller inside rim diameter than you normally play on the big horns. Don't try to put that same amount of lip into the smaller cup, it will close down your aperture and can cause you problems.

John Mohan · Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 2:49 pm Post subject:

I would give serious consideration to one of Bob Reeve's Piccolo Trumpet Mouthpieces. In particular, either the 43C or 43M. They have super comfortable rims and provide a sound that is not shrill. On C trumpet I've played a Bach 1X rim / 1B underpart in the past (recently, I've moved to a mouthpiece with a copy of a Mt Vernon 3C rim with a 3B underpart for Orchestra), and I find transitioning to the Reeves 43 rim with a Reeves C or M cup to be very easy.

Best wishes,

John Mohan
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John Mohan · Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject:

B. Scriver · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:44 am Post subject:

Gary Radtke:

The Bach 7E and Schilke 11A WE DIGITIZED were from the most highly noted international piccolo players.

These samples were from the 70's and in the cup area near exact. There was some differences on the rim in the bite area and outside rim radius. Largest variation in the bite was .0016" and the outside diameter on the radius about .005".

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