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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked the serial #? I'd be interested to know when that was made.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dutchman1954 wrote:
Have you checked the serial #? I'd be interested to know when that was made.
It is supposed to be here tomorrow so I will know then. With the two braces on the main slide it should be the earlier of the two editions. I believe it would be a late 80s horn, but not sure. I did find a page that gave manufacturing dates for the T-101 but lost track of it.I know they came lacquer, gold and silver plate.... this one has a gold brass bell which I can not find any info on. Well.... soon, soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Holton T-101 Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Jim.
I just bought a used Holton T-101G today and after my Tony Scodwell Boston, it is hands down the best horn I've ever played. Maybe it's the gold bell, but it plays wonderfully and melodically in all registers.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many trumpet players underestimate Holton trumpets.
In fact, I would say many trumpet players turn their
nose up at Holton trumpets and they've never even played one.
The Holton T101 model trumpets are really very fine trumpets,
They are the absolute best recreation of the Mt. Vernon Bach
trumpets that were ever made.
And the Maynard Ferguson model Trumpets are very fine also
I have a Maynard Ferguson model ST 308 Which plays
as well as any Bach I've ever played on.
I also had Maynard Ferguson model ST 307 which was one of the
newer models made at the CONN SELMER plant in Elkhart which
was the same as the older models made at the old Holton plant in
Elkhorn, Wisconsin. The main difference is that the newer models have
a lightweight bell. Great playing lead horn. Unfortunately, it was stolen.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Holton T-101 Reply with quote

trumbachpet wrote:
Thanks for the info Jim.
I just bought a used Holton T-101G today and after my Tony Scodwell Boston, it is hands down the best horn I've ever played. Maybe it's the gold bell, but it plays wonderfully and melodically in all registers.


Was this the horn that was advertised in the Marketplace of TrumpetHerald here? If so, that's a really great looking horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: holton T-101 Reply with quote

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The Holton T-101 is quite simply the best playing horn I've ever played. And I've played plenty over nearly 30 years. In terms of sound, intonation, and versatility, it is far better than my 1982 Bach Strad 37, which I used to think was a good horn. IMO I don't find it to be stuffy at all.


I just bought one recently with a gold bell and couldn't agree more with your opinion. I played it quite by accident while looking at a Kanstul Besson Meha and a LA Benge 3X and was just blown away by the sound. It is going to be a great jazz horn for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: Holton T-101 Reply with quote

JonathanM wrote:
trumbachpet wrote:
Thanks for the info Jim.
I just bought a used Holton T-101G today and after my Tony Scodwell Boston, it is hands down the best horn I've ever played. Maybe it's the gold bell, but it plays wonderfully and melodically in all registers.


Was this the horn that was advertised in the Marketplace of TrumpetHerald here? If so, that's a really great looking horn.


No, it was purchased in a little music store in upstate NY. I had gone up there to try out a Kanstul Besson Meha and a LA Benge 3x they had there, but the valves were sticky on both of them even though they sounded great. As a last resort, the guy brought out the Holton for me to try since I had traveled a couple hours to get there...and it was like, wow. The finish on it is perfect too. I think it dates from the middle '90's.
I went right to the ATM, cash money deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just picked up a Holton T101B. I've only had it a couple of days but it is an impressive horn. Excellent valves and slides and, thus far, the intonation seems to be quite good.

If anyone knows what the "B" in the "T101B" stands for, I'd be thrilled to know. Seems like I read that it's a newer rendition of the early T101 model, but I can't recall where I read this.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was the horn advertised in the market place.


On a side note, I'd like to assure any potential buyers that the valves on my kanstul and benge are not sticky, they just were not a good fit for this particular players playing style, as they are long stroke and he plays with a flat finger style causing cross pressure on the valve. Not a bad thing, just have to find the right horn for the right style.

I am very happy you are happy with the holton. It is a great horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a really good looking horn. If I'd had $200 more it would have been mine.

Strange, I sold a really nice horn a couple months back that had excellent valves - but the fellow I sold it to had problems with the second valve. I'd played that horn for probably four months and never had a problem with it.

The angle that one uses in their valve stroke can make a great difference in the valve action; no doubt.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure, especially on used horns that have been broken in by one owner in one style, if the new buyer has a different style it is almost like breaking in a new valve. Like I said, not a bad thing, just a fact of life.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

musicalmason1 wrote:
It was the horn advertised in the market place.


On a side note, I'd like to assure any potential buyers that the valves on my kanstul and benge are not sticky, they just were not a good fit for this particular players playing style, as they are long stroke and he plays with a flat finger style causing cross pressure on the valve. Not a bad thing, just have to find the right horn for the right style.

I am very happy you are happy with the holton. It is a great horn.


I just want to say that musicalmason1 is probably right, these horns I tried sounded terriffic and it was probably my playing style that affected the valves....it's happened to me before. As it turns out, the Holton turned out to be the exact horn I was looking for, I just didn't know it.....as others have said on this thread, Holton just doesn't get the press that the more well known horns do.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following Youtube has several mistakes by me (like when I can't figure out what key I'm in [one of the worst errors when playing by ear]) but I think the pure, great tone of a Holton T101B can still easily be detected. If this is the norm amongs these horns - they are very fine instruments.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the suffix "A" , "B" etc on the T101 horns, it appears that may vary according to when it was made. The horns made in the mid 1960's, the 101A has a lacquer finish, while the 101B was nickel plated. They were identical horns otherwise. As far as later production designations I'm afraid I'm clueless.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dutchman1954 wrote:
As far as the suffix "A" , "B" etc on the T101 horns, it appears that may vary according to when it was made. The horns made in the mid 1960's, the 101A has a lacquer finish, while the 101B was nickel plated. They were identical horns otherwise. As far as later production designations I'm afraid I'm clueless.


Good info, and thanks.

I think mine is a 'later' model; I'm guessing '90's or more recent.

It's silver plated and a T101B. Very nice player - I just wish I knew what the 'B' stood for.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could very well be the same designation as the original production, plated instead of lacquer finish. As I said, anything after the "B" suffix I really don't know. I have been out of the loop for a while. I stopped being a serious player back in the late 1970's when I attempted to enlist in the Army as a bandsman. Passed the audition, flunked the physical.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw a 101 at Sam Ash in Indy, had to look online to see what it was and found this thread. Great horn, opened up above high C, nice even resistance, good intonation.
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