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mr_evertonia
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Beater Horn Reply with quote

I'm looking for suggestions as to what to buy to use as a 'beater' horn, I live in new Orleans and do a fair bit of street / parade playing and there's no way I'm going to take my Eclipse out on those kinds of gigs .... I'm currently playing an Olds Ambassador for this kind of work, but I find it really stuffy, especially in the upper register. I also seem to tire more quickly than I might expect. Does anyone have any suggestions as to something I might pick up cheaply to use for this kind of work ?

thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the ambassador is in good condition, maybe easier to modify it than replace it - maybe replace leadpipe or remove the forward brace or something?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

King 601. Valves are usually great. Bore a little more generous than the usual ML horn. Built solid.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, if you look up "beater horn" in the dictionary, the definition is "Olds Ambassador".

If you get something better than an Olds Ambassador, you are no longer in the beater category - in my humble opinion, of course.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of Getzen 300-series horns out there and they've got the same valves as their top of the line horns.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grits Burgh wrote:
Hmmm, if you look up "beater horn" in the dictionary, the definition is "Olds Ambassador".

If you get something better than an Olds Ambassador, you are no longer in the beater category - in my humble opinion, of course.

Warm regards,
Grits



Completely agree. I also agree with the first responder. The best option, IMO, is to modify the ambassador. I have one that I have "hot rodded" and while I don't play it as a "gig" horn because I don't need to .... if I had to it would more than do the job.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree. Hot rod the Ambassador - he said he's finding it stuffy up high. Or, get "the modern Ambassador", a Kanstul 700.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used eterna for $500 and forget everything else.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any of the Getzen student-line horns (used) should be fine for that. They are good horns with great valves.

Another option might be to replace the leadpipe on your Ambassador. I've played two Ambassadors that had Pilczuk leadpipes (not sure which one). It made a big difference.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn17B1960image.html

Conn 17B.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have the valve alignment checked on the ambassador?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get an Olds Super for between $700-1000
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a Conn Director cornet from the 1960s. They are great trumpets...

Sounds like a trumpet, plays like a trumpet, really nice upper register, not stuffy at all, good intonation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale - Like this one?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/msg/d/conn-coprion-cornet-trumpet/6204322974.html

I think they're a music store because they list on CL a lot. This means they can probably ship it OK and can take a credit card or paypal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKSop wrote:
If the ambassador is in good condition, maybe easier to modify it than replace it - maybe replace leadpipe or remove the forward brace or something?


I've heard that a Bach 43 pipe will open it right up, or one of these:

http://www.brassinstrumentworkshop.com/leadpipes/ Rich will tell you which one to try.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiarby wrote:
You can get an Olds Super for between $700-1000


There's a large bore Getzen Severinson in the marketplace for $825. Definitely NOT stuffy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need a better job evidently. Some of you guys idea of "cheap" is alot different from mine. Lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1jazzyalex wrote:
Dale - Like this one?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/msg/d/conn-coprion-cornet-trumpet/6204322974.html

I think they're a music store because they list on CL a lot. This means they can probably ship it OK and can take a credit card or paypal.


That's a nice one, and has a Coprion bell, too. I had the brass-bell model (15A) more in mind for a beater. One in fairly decent shape can usually be found for $100-$150.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Beater Horn Reply with quote

mr_evertonia wrote:
I'm looking for suggestions as to what to buy to use as a 'beater' horn, I live in new Orleans and do a fair bit of street / parade playing and there's no way I'm going to take my Eclipse out on those kinds of gigs ... Does anyone have any suggestions as to something I might pick up cheaply to use for this kind of work?

I had this very issue when I was younger - after going through what you are for many years I decided to use my 'good' horn all the time.

Stop worrying about it and just use what your comfortable with for everything. It's not a piece of jewelry - it's a trumpet that's meant to be played!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin Custom Brass is advertising a Brasspire 950H performance trumpet. Looks ideal for what you're doing.
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