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mr_evertonia Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:29 pm Post subject: Beater Horn |
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I'm looking for suggestions as to what to buy to use as a 'beater' horn, I live in new Orleans and do a fair bit of street / parade playing and there's no way I'm going to take my Eclipse out on those kinds of gigs .... I'm currently playing an Olds Ambassador for this kind of work, but I find it really stuffy, especially in the upper register. I also seem to tire more quickly than I might expect. Does anyone have any suggestions as to something I might pick up cheaply to use for this kind of work ?
thanks in advance
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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If the ambassador is in good condition, maybe easier to modify it than replace it - maybe replace leadpipe or remove the forward brace or something? |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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King 601. Valves are usually great. Bore a little more generous than the usual ML horn. Built solid. _________________ Richard
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, if you look up "beater horn" in the dictionary, the definition is "Olds Ambassador".
If you get something better than an Olds Ambassador, you are no longer in the beater category - in my humble opinion, of course.
Warm regards,
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1jazzyalex Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of Getzen 300-series horns out there and they've got the same valves as their top of the line horns. _________________ Yamaha 8335LA with Blessing 3C, 5C, Schilke 11A4A |
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lgt0412 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Grits Burgh wrote: | Hmmm, if you look up "beater horn" in the dictionary, the definition is "Olds Ambassador".
If you get something better than an Olds Ambassador, you are no longer in the beater category - in my humble opinion, of course.
Warm regards,
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Completely agree. I also agree with the first responder. The best option, IMO, is to modify the ambassador. I have one that I have "hot rodded" and while I don't play it as a "gig" horn because I don't need to .... if I had to it would more than do the job. _________________ Van Laar B6
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1jazzyalex Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'd agree. Hot rod the Ambassador - he said he's finding it stuffy up high. Or, get "the modern Ambassador", a Kanstul 700. _________________ Yamaha 8335LA with Blessing 3C, 5C, Schilke 11A4A |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Used eterna for $500 and forget everything else.
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Any of the Getzen student-line horns (used) should be fine for that. They are good horns with great valves.
Another option might be to replace the leadpipe on your Ambassador. I've played two Ambassadors that had Pilczuk leadpipes (not sure which one). It made a big difference.
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chapahi Heavyweight Member
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Have the valve alignment checked on the ambassador? _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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jiarby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:12 am Post subject: |
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You can get an Olds Super for between $700-1000 |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Buy a Conn Director cornet from the 1960s. They are great trumpets...
Sounds like a trumpet, plays like a trumpet, really nice upper register, not stuffy at all, good intonation. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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1jazzyalex Heavyweight Member
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: | If the ambassador is in good condition, maybe easier to modify it than replace it - maybe replace leadpipe or remove the forward brace or something? |
I've heard that a Bach 43 pipe will open it right up, or one of these:
http://www.brassinstrumentworkshop.com/leadpipes/ Rich will tell you which one to try. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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jiarby wrote: | You can get an Olds Super for between $700-1000 |
There's a large bore Getzen Severinson in the marketplace for $825. Definitely NOT stuffy. |
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WillyCook Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I need a better job evidently. Some of you guys idea of "cheap" is alot different from mine. Lol _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37, Bach Stradivarius 43, Bach Stradivarius NY7, Bach Stradivarius 239, Bach Stradivarius Long Model Cornet 37, Bach 5C, Bach 3C Megatone |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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That's a nice one, and has a Coprion bell, too. I had the brass-bell model (15A) more in mind for a beater. One in fairly decent shape can usually be found for $100-$150. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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Bill Blackwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Beater Horn |
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mr_evertonia wrote: | I'm looking for suggestions as to what to buy to use as a 'beater' horn, I live in new Orleans and do a fair bit of street / parade playing and there's no way I'm going to take my Eclipse out on those kinds of gigs ... Does anyone have any suggestions as to something I might pick up cheaply to use for this kind of work? |
I had this very issue when I was younger - after going through what you are for many years I decided to use my 'good' horn all the time.
Stop worrying about it and just use what your comfortable with for everything. It's not a piece of jewelry - it's a trumpet that's meant to be played!!! _________________ Bill Blackwell
Founder - Sons of Thunder Big Band Machine
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matthes93401 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Austin Custom Brass is advertising a Brasspire 950H performance trumpet. Looks ideal for what you're doing. |
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