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trumpetpatrick Regular Member
Joined: 06 Apr 2014 Posts: 61 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: Piccolo straight mute |
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Hi all,
I'm in need of a straight mute for piccolo, specifically for the end of Petrushka. Does anyone have suggestions of good piccolo mutes and ones that are especially loud and piercing for pieces like Petrushka? I've heard good things about the trumcor ones, and I love the ones I have for my big horns.
Thanks,
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Can't go wrong with a Jo-Ral. Just make sure you shave the corks to get the optimum effect. Until I did it sounded utterly unimpressive. Don't have enough experience to say if it's any louder than other options. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 1280 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I have a jo-ral that works nice, but I would rather buy a brass bottom one some day.
Tom Crown makes a good one, and trumcor is very popular as well. I've also hear the best brass piccolo mute is gaining some fans lately. Cheiden is correct though: on the JoRal or Tom crown, make sure you adjust the corks for your horn. _________________ (List horns here) |
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Steve Sperry Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I use a Wick for my picc work. It has a nice sound to it. _________________ trumpetdork
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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JoeLoeffler Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Try a Humes and Berg metal one. (Yes, the cheap red/white mute people.) It is painted red/white, but is a metal mute. Take the foam band off of the top, it is much better. Also, sanding the corks slightly to adjust to your horn...
It is probably the loudest, most raucous mute I have ever tried - which is really what you want for a lot of things (like Pictures). George Vosburgh recommended it to me and it has surprised everyone who has tried it. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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AJCarter wrote: | I have a jo-ral that works nice, but I would rather buy a brass bottom one some day.
Tom Crown makes a good one, and trumcor is very popular as well. I've also hear the best brass piccolo mute is gaining some fans lately. Cheiden is correct though: on the JoRal or Tom crown, make sure you adjust the corks for your horn. |
Stock, mine stuck out really far and was essentially useless. Had to take the corks down pretty far to get a really distinctive tone on my Kanstul 920. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I own all of those, but the TrumCor is by far the best.
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: | AJCarter wrote: | I have a jo-ral that works nice, but I would rather buy a brass bottom one some day.
Tom Crown makes a good one, and trumcor is very popular as well. I've also hear the best brass piccolo mute is gaining some fans lately. Cheiden is correct though: on the JoRal or Tom crown, make sure you adjust the corks for your horn. |
Stock, mine stuck out really far and was essentially useless. Had to take the corks down pretty far to get a really distinctive tone on my Kanstul 920. |
Well, better that than too thin. The corks should *always* be adjusted for a new mute. Out of the box, they're made to be usable with a lot of different bell profiles. I'm always a bit surprised when I see somebody using a mute with pristine corks, especially a cup mute that sticks out an inch or more. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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trumpetpatrick Regular Member
Joined: 06 Apr 2014 Posts: 61 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I think I'll order the trumcor, but surely it won't be the last one I buy. One can never have enough mutes! |
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trombahonker Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 1480 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I usually prefer the all-copper Tom Crown (gotta file the corks down a lot). I like the TrumCor, but it isn't the right sound for everything. Usually I wind up thinking it's too open and not buzzy enough, especially if the piccolo is substituting for a big trumpet.
For modern stuff, purpose written for picc with straight, (ie Ades' Asyla), the Trumcor seems to sound about perfect.
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:08 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | ...I'm always a bit surprised when I see somebody using a mute with pristine corks, especially a cup mute that sticks out an inch or more. |
I routinely rant about that. A cup that sticks out too far sounds more like a wonky sounding straight. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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