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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject: schlossberg
i just got this book from my teacher. there is no tempo marking in the first pages of the book. would 60 be good for first pages ? do you play first pages only trumpet or also mouthpiece ?
sorry for my english im still learning
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:59 pm Post subject:
You can't go wrong playing it nice and slow to start, then speed up or even try different "beats" _________________ Yamaha 8335LA with Blessing 3C, 5C, Schilke 11A4A
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: schlossberg
tptguru wrote:
I just got this book from my teacher. There is no tempo marking in the first pages of the book. Would 60 be good for first pages ? Do you play first pages only trumpet or also mouthpiece ?
sorry for my English I'm still learning
Do not worry about your English - your English is much better than my Russian or my Kyrgyz.
A good question to ask your teacher is 'why'. When you know why you are doing an exercise the other questions answer themselves. It is OK to ask "Why am I doing this exercise? What am I learning here?"
These exercises - pages 1 through 5 - are to learn how to make the best sound with the least effort. And to learn how to change notes with the least muscle movement. Again, ask your teacher about that.
The tempo is marked 'Very Slow'. A tempo of 60 might be too fast - 52 or 54 might be better. Don't worry - there are many exercises later in the book for learning how to play fast.
This book is to be played on the trumpet. There are mouthpiece exercises, but not in this book.
And remember: You aren't supposed to be getting good at the exercise - you are supposed to be learning from the exercise to become good at making music.
Chris Gekker has a very good book called "Slow Practice." In it, he recommends starting with the metronome at 60 for those first Schlossberg exercises. That's around the same tempo that I learned those exercises at, and it has always felt about right to me. Good luck!
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:28 am Post subject: Re: schlossberg
rlk wrote:
This book is to be played on the trumpet. There are mouthpiece exercises, but not in this book.
RLK.
'Pretty sure that three lines of mouthpiece exercises are listed on the first or second page with instructions to play on the mouthpiece for 2 minutes before anything else. At least in my book there are. _________________ For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? - 1 Cor 14:8
I do lip bends for Long Note Drills #4-6. I was taught to play them both ways.
Tom Stevens' book "After Schlossberg" and, of course. Jimmy Stamp's "Warm Ups and Studies" can help you develop a deeper understanding of how to approach the Schlossberg studies.
I'd recommend discussing lip bends with your teacher before you start including them in your Schlossberg practice.
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: schlossberg
OldKing wrote:
rlk wrote:
This book is to be played on the trumpet. There are mouthpiece exercises, but not in this book.
RLK.
'Pretty sure that three lines of mouthpiece exercises are listed on the first or second page with instructions to play on the mouthpiece for 2 minutes before anything else. At least in my book there are.
Near the bottom of the page titled "Introductory Notes", there is a three line mouthpiece drill with directions to play the mouthpiece in both slurring and staccato daily for at least two minutes before any actual instrument practice is begun.
I have done this simple exercise for many years and think it has been very useful to me as part of the warm up. However, I am one of those people who believes that mouthpiece buzzing is useful and has value.
My teacher taught and required me to buzz everything I played when I was taking lessons long ago. So, I would probably do both.
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: schlossberg
OldKing wrote:
rlk wrote:
This book is to be played on the trumpet. There are mouthpiece exercises, but not in this book.
RLK.
'Pretty sure that three lines of mouthpiece exercises are listed on the first or second page with instructions to play on the mouthpiece for 2 minutes before anything else. At least in my book there are.
They're before the first page in my edition. The instructions could have two interpretations - 'every time before you play' or 'before you ever play.' My interpretation is that you he wants you to learn to buzz on the mouthpiece before you try to make a tone on the trumpet - and that after you can make a tone on the trumpet you don't buzz the mouthpiece any more.
In either case you don't buzz the numbered exercises - and it turns out the the OP also has the Stamp book which will cover all of his buzzing needs.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:37 am Post subject:
The Schlossberg book is a collection of exercises hand written for specific students to address specific problems; compiled and put into book form by Harry Freistadt .
This is NOT a method and shouldn't be approached as such. _________________ Bill Bergren
This is NOT a method and shouldn't be approached as such.
No argument here, though I don't see that as diminishing the value of the book, particularly if you are working with a good teacher.
If you were to do one exercise per day from each of the eight section in "Daily Drills and Technical Studies" -- and vary the dynamic markings, tempo, articulation, skip the fermatas, etc. -- you'd be getting a pretty good workout. Not a comprehensive workout, perhaps, but a good one.
To me, that "mindful" approach to practice is no different than how one should approach Clarke's "Technical Studies," the technical studies in Arban's or St. Jacome's methods, etc.
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