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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: Trumpet Collections Reply with quote

Can anyone suggest Vintage Trumpets that are worth collecting?

Collection to date:
Custom Taylor Chicago Lite (Engraved as Legacy)
Silver Vincent Bach Stradivarius 37
Kanstel Ultra IV Heinrick A Wolffe Edition
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Trumpet Collections Reply with quote

utkwhite@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone suggest Vintage Trumpets that are worth collecting?

Collection to date:
Custom Taylor Chicago Lite (Engraved as Legacy)
Silver Vincent Bach Stradivarius 37
Kanstel Ultra IV Heinrick A Wolffe Edition

Early Los Angeles Olds trumpets and other brass.

French Model, Military Model (with hammered bell), The Olds cornets, Olds Super Recording trumpets and cornets, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selmer Paris trumpets from the 50s or earlier. I have a 1952 Selmer I truly love. Unique sound. Unbelievable quality from lead pipe to bell.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That depends on why you want to collect.

In general: No!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Trumpet Collections Reply with quote

utkwhite@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone suggest Vintage Trumpets that are worth collecting?

Collection to date:
Custom Taylor Chicago Lite (Engraved as Legacy)
Silver Vincent Bach Stradivarius 37
Kanstel Ultra IV Heinrick A Wolffe Edition


It really depends on what your objective is in putting a collection together.

By way of example, I've played a Burbank Benge 3X for 51 years so my initial interest was to collect vintage Benge trumpets. I acquired a Chicago Benge large bore, a Chicago Benge ML, a Burbank Benge 5X, a Burbank Benge 6X and an LA Benge CG. I'm still looking for a Burbank Benge 2X.

Then I got interested in collecting horns from the 1930's/40's, especially horns with great bell engraving. So I acquired a King Silvertone, King Silvertone Model No. 2 (trumpet and cornet), a Conn 40B (with "Pan" engraving) and a Conn 48B (with "Pan" engraving).

Then I got interested in collecting models played by famous jazz artists. So I acquired a Martin Committee Deluxe, a Blessing Super Artist, a King Super 20 Symphony Silver Sonic Dual Bore, a King Silver Flair/Dizzy model, a Selmer Balanced, a Selmer K-Modified, a Holton MF Horn, a Holton Bud Brisbois and a Getzen Severinsen.

My first trumpet was an Olds Recording (which I still have). I decided to add the Olds professional models, so I acquired an Olds Super Recording, an Olds Mendez, an Olds Super and an Olds Opera.

I also had an interest in Bach Strads so I acquiried a Mt. Vernon Model 37, a Mt. Vernon Model 43, an Elkhart Model 72* and an Elkhart Model 25,

I got interested in Calicchio's so I went on to acquire a Calicchio 1s/2, a Calicchio 3R/9 and a Calicchio Copper Solo.

The above is just a part of what I've collected. My point is that collecting what interests you is the most important factor. If you collect what interests you then you'll be happy with your collection because it will all make sense to you. That's really what a collection is: A statement of what interests you.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vintage Conn Connstellation 38A or better, the 28A cornet are essentials to any decent collection. They are incredible pro horns.

The 28A cornet in particular is very typical. Trumpet shaped cornet, very mouthpiece sensitive and versatile. get a big sound with it's 5 1/8 inch bell.

A must!!

P.S. I don't recommend to buy any model made after 1969...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Trumpet Collections Reply with quote

utkwhite@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone suggest Vintage Trumpets that are worth collecting?


"worth" in what sense? For asset appreciation, or for some personal fulfillment of some kind other than financial?

I 'collect' things I want to use, be it a tool, or an instrument.

If it's an investment sort of question, top quality professional instruments tend to go up in value over time. Everything else tends to go down. No big surprises there.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin Committee
Olds Recording
Conn Connstellation
King SilverSonic
Chicago Benges
New York Bachs
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember a member of this forum once wrote something like:

''get a Martin Committee and a Conn 28A Connstellation. You don't need any other horn...''


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buescher 400.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit I'm not a collector, until recently I was down to one trumpet. I only got another because I wanted one for "hazardous duty" like outdoor gigs, crowded big band stands.

My filter, like for my guitars, is, does it have a sound, capability, or function the others don't? And is it a quality instrument in good repair I will want to play?

I've tried a bunch of horns people describe as collectible- Martin Committee, Connstellation, Olds, NY Bach, old Kings, LA Benge, Getzen, Selmer Paris. I liked the Benge and Getzen's, and they were affordable. Some of the others, I wondered why they were popular.

My point is, collect horns you'll want to play!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collecting why? Investment, for vintage players/sound, museum archival or personal collection, ???

Lot of ways to jump into collecting, though as a monetary investment I believe the old adage about "to make a million, start with two" applies...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the olds recording has to be up towards the top of that list.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besson, especially the pre-war and immediately post-war ones made in France. Also anything by Antoine Courtois. Between Besson, Selmer and Courtois you could build a nice French-themed collection.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All Calicchio's for me with a few Benges thrown in for fun
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuck in ny wrote:
the olds recording has to be up towards the top of that list.


Judging by recent sales popping up, Supers are going for the price of a good used car now. Too bad mine is a cornet, or it would have tripled in value in the last year or so.

Unrelated, I have to wonder if 10-20 years from now people wil be scrambling to find "pre-buyout Blackburns", sort of like pre-strike Bachs were for a while.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conn Vocabells are unique instruments. The 40 has that 1920-1930s sound you hear on recordings. The 48 is a larger instrument, with a sound that would fit anywhere. I have both, and while I do not play them often, I am glad I have them for the times I do need them.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dr_trumpet wrote:
Conn Vocabells are unique instruments. The 40 has that 1920-1930s sound you hear on recordings. The 48 is a larger instrument, with a sound that would fit anywhere. I have both, and while I do not play them often, I am glad I have them for the times I do need them.


I have both of them, too. They are very cool horns and historically significant in the history of trumpet making and jazz playing.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who asks or answers this question will do so with the intent to drive up the value of what they already have.

I for one have an Olds Fullerton Ambassador Cornet, raw brass, and with non-original bracing that was either a catastrophic repair or an inspired modification. Let me tell ya, she SINGS !!!

I think in the future everyone will wish they had one. I'm glad I got mine while they were still cheap. Her value is currently at least 3x what I paid.
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pinstriper wrote:
Anyone who asks or answers this question will do so with the intent to drive up the value of what they already have.

I for one have an Olds Fullerton Ambassador Cornet, raw brass, and with non-original bracing that was either a catastrophic repair or an inspired modification. Let me tell ya, she SINGS !!!

I think in the future everyone will wish they had one. I'm glad I got mine while they were still cheap. Her value is currently at least 3x what I paid.


Wow, what a cynical point of view. I have replied to this thread, and I have no desire to sell either of the horns I mentioned, nor will I. I guess your broad generalizations failed to consider the other valuable reasons for an ongoing interest in these horns. For me, more Conn Vocabell users means more information shared, and the additional chance that some parts will continue to be available for my trumpets in the future. Also, it is additionally of benefit to me in that sharing information about horns creates a comradery in the trumpet community, and that is one of the best reasons to enjoy music and musical instruments.

I did not mention my Mahillon piccolo trumpets, and yet I enjoy owning those horns as well. I have a three valve model that is just like my college professor owned, and love having it and playing it. In that he had one and has since passed, it is a small connection to him. I have no interest in seeing the price of these instruments increase, only in owning a special instrument to me. Mine likely has little value in dollars and cents to most, but to me they are priceless.

Sorry friend, but not all of us have a profit motive for the acquisition of instruments.

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