Bach 10 1/2C

Asian Man · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: Bach 10 1/2C

I've been wondering about switching mouthpieces for a while. I'm still on the 7C and my teacher says i sound pretty good on it. I have a strong low register and i top out at a high A (1 ledger line). My teacher let me try a 3C and i couldn't handle the largeness nor could i with the 5MV or whatever it was. I tried his 10 1/2C, and sure it felt more resistant in the upper registersince i was playing my 7C for an hour before that, but my lower register was still good. Should I keep trying it? I won't really with districts auditions coming up in a week, but i have the cash, i could buy it offline maybe?
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Pete · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:14 am Post subject:

Hi,

If the 10 1/2 C does what you want it to do, use it. Some players, like me feel more comfortable on rim diameters smaller than the 7C. Carl Saunders uses similar diameters with great success. I remember a guy who conducted and played trumpet with the Ice Capades, years ago who played a Bach 10 1/2 C, and he was awesome! Adolph Herseth didn't play exceptionally large mouthpieces when he played with the Chicago Symphony. It's the results that matter.

Pete

plp · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:

If you have a competition coming up, now is not the time to change mouthpieces. Go with what you are used to, and stick with the 7C until your performance demands allow you to trek into a mouthpiece safari.

I'm making the switch to Warburton cups and backbores right now, and a 6M is about the same size as a 10 1/2 C. I'm not sure what backbore is similar, but the backbores are numbered 1 through 10, with 1 being the tightest, and 10 the largest. I'm using a 5, and the resistence seems to be less than my 10 1/2 C. The beauty of the Warburton system is, if you find a good rim size, you can stick with a single rim diameter and go from a shallow S cup right through a XD or BB deep cup. You can switch backbores until you find the level of resistance that works best for your playing conditions. Check out their website and see if AFTER your competition, this might be a direction you want to go.

_PhilPicc · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:32 am Post subject:

I played on Bach 5 & 6 series for years. After a switch to a more efficient embouchure I switched to a Bach 10-1/2C with no loss of the lower register or tone quality.

I'm also going to look at the Warburton to better adapt pieces for my cornet and picc playing.

As previously stated you should wait until after the competition before you work on the switch.

Best of luck,
Phil
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KevinPierce · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:37 am Post subject:

Why? You didnt state any problem you have with the 7c?
If the 7c is working for you, by all means keep it.

Dale Proctor · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject:

The Bach 10-1/2C is very good for a small mouthpiece, but will make the tone color on most horns somewhat more bright than larger mouthpieces such as the 3C. As previously stated, you should play the familiar 7C for the audition. Experiment afterward.
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wvtrumpet · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:

wvtrumpet · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:

Someone told me that Wayne Bergeron plays a 10 1/2 C size piece.
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KevinPierce · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure Bud played a 1x
I've heard bergeron plays a 3c size piece

Mark Bradley · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:

I really like the 10 1/2C but after extended playing-- probably after some lip swelling in the course of hard playing, they start feeling prohibitively small, like trying to blow a pea through a straw. However, there are many players that work through that issue and have no problem with the so-called smaller diameter pieces. One of the greatest things about the 10 1/2C is it's exceptional tone, I believe it has a unique (to Bach), albeit subtle, double cup design. But it is deep, deeper than a 7c... it can wear you down. If you find yourself happy with a Bach 10 1/2C, fine, but there are some very good alternatives out there that "may" work better. The Laskey 40 series comes to mind, particularly the 40S. Also the Marcinkiewicz numbers 6 thru 10, with #6 being his closest version of the 10 1/2C and the upper numbers gradually getting more shallow. Nice playing pieces. I've found the Curry 10 1/2Cs to seem be much smaller than the Bachs. They must be based of old Mt.Vernons or NY models or gosh knows what, nothing like the new Bachs-- the Curry 10 1/2Cs are way too small for me. The GR 62M would probably be the best alternative of all. Right now I'm pretty happy with a GR 63M. it's right inbetween a 10 1/2C and 7C (life is full of compromises!). But still, if the standard ol' Bach 10 1/2 works, there's nothing wrong with that.

bachstrad72 · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:27 am Post subject:

Pete is referencing the fact that when Mr. Herseth won the job in Chicago he was playing a Mt. Vernon straight 7 (no letter). After an accident that split his lip and caused much scar tissue, he switched to a 1 rim so as to feel the mouthpiece better. Also towards the end of his career he went back to the 7.
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Pete · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:22 am Post subject:

The biggest problem with moving down to a smaller mouthpiece is that the same feel is expected. You can't approach it that way. You have to use common sense and give it a little time. I wasn't suggesting the change before an audition, by the way.

To my knowledge, Wayne Bergeron still plays on a Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5, and the Monette mouthpiece catalog prior to the updated one, had the B7H mouthpiece listed as the Herseth model. I believe that this was approximately the size of a Bach 7B. He did win the CSO position with a Bach 7. The ITG (International Trumpet Guild) is a great resource if you haven't checked it out yet. The interviews with Herseth and others are quite intersting.And the Kanstul Comparator has both mouthpieces listed on the site.

Again, don't worry so much about who plays what. If you get the results that you want after a reasonable amount of time, then you should use that size. I use various mouthpieces from time to time depending on the gig, but the rim diameter stays approximately the same. I don't go from a Warburton 6M to a Bach 1C for example. There also is not a great difference in size between a Bach 7C and the 10 1/2 C. The subtle size difference can offer better results for some. Moving to a slightly larger diameter for some people is successful also. Everyone is different. That's why there are so many mouthpiece sizes available.

Pete

Brent · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: mouthpiece

If you're looking at the 10.5 range, you might want to consider the Stork 7 size. To my lips, it's somewhere between a Bach 7 to 10.5. I've found my Stork 7D is better than the Bach 10.5C in every aspect.
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Asian Man · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject:

I feel that maybe the 7 rims are a little too wide for me and i want to experiment more. I found that the larger rim pieces make my lips get out of focus. I'm bottoming out a little on the shallower 7 rim mouthpieces so using a smaller rim may keep my lips from protruding as much.
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rgeba · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:

I was a long time 10 1/2 C user who went larger and has now returned to the mothership. I find the Laskey 40C (which is supposed to be a 10 1/2 C clone) to be more comfortable with slightly bigger sound.

If you are looking for a tweener (between 7C and 10 1/2C), you might want to try a Yamaha 11B4. They are fairly inexpensive, and you might like the fit.

chapahi · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:58 am Post subject:

It's funny, but I feel more cramped with a 7C than with a 10 1/2 C. I wonder why that is.
Incidently, I was in a shop and tried a Curry 10 1/2 B and really liked it. It has a fuller sound than the 10 1/2 C but still the directness of the 10 1/2C cup. Also it feels more free-blowing.
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mark schorah · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 668

Hey, i know that gary wilder uses a 10 1/2 C n he can scream like crazy and then create a beautuiful smooth dark jazz tone. If you want to ask anyone pm him, his a nice bloke

Mark

Asian Man · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:

my teacher told me he has like 5 other 10 1/2C's and he'll give me one.
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