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alejandrolopezs Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: 84 |
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trompette229 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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When you pull the leadpipe from Bb to A you have to go about an inch and a half. This creates a larger cylindrical bore gap. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing, the longer "A" pipes allow for a longer inner taper to the leadpipe.
In some cases, the aftermarket pipes may feel a bit warmer, more free blowing, crisper, better intonation or whatever they're designed to do. For what it's worth, I've owned a couple P5-4's and the stock pipe always worked best for me but I know plenty of others that really like the aftermarket pipes.
Some of the makers: Blackburn, Osmun, Najoom, Frost (lots of options here), Benchmark and I'm sure a few others that I'm forgetting.
Trying one out is the only way to know for sure. The other tricky part is that the outer diameter of the Schilke pipes aren't entirely consistent horn to horn so you may have to have a pipe fit by a shop after ordering. Good luck |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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For $30, try the Bob Reeves A adapter. Really works well, and saves you having to swap the entire pipe in/out when changing from Bb to A or vice versa.
I think it plays better that way than with the A pipe in my picc. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2827 Location: Littleton, MA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:59 am Post subject: |
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To be clear, on a Schilke P54 the shank receiver tube inner diameter matches the opening of the secondary taper. This results in a cylindrical mid section when the Bb pipe is drawn for A, telescoping the bore without stepping down at the beginning of the the tapered "elbow".
The difference in stock vs aftermarket leadpipes are as great as any variety of mouthpiece backbores. Each expand at different rates of taper, have different venturi sizes, receiver gaps and overall volume. Interestingly the Reeves cornet extension for A has a trumpet style gap and a reduced venturi. In contrast, Blackburn and Osmun pipes have greater volume than the stock Schilke pipe.
Our Osmun pipes for Schilke piccolo are made with cornet receivers so you can use the same mouthpiece as the stock pipe. Pipes in A are available with trumpet receivers. Most players find our pipes to play less restrictive making it bit easier to transition between their regular trumpet and piccolo. Having greater internal volume results in a less directional, broader sound.
And yes, the outside diameter of Schilke shanks can vary depending on when the trumpet was manufactured. Typically the older ones run larger by +.0005" to +.001" or so.
In addition we make Osmun piccolo pipes for a variety of other brands of piccolo. Oftentimes improving the pitch, stability and sound quality.
I hope this is helpful. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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tjyune Regular Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2014 Posts: 17 Location: Southern California, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Schilke P54 piccolo A leadpipe |
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alejandrolopezs wrote: | Hello everybody,
I tried to find a discussion about this very same question but I could not find it. I have a P54 and I use it on B-flat and A with the lead pipe it came on. Recently I found on mouthpieceexpress.com that they sell an A pipe for this piccolo and I read on TH that Blackburn and Osmun make also their own versions. In which way does it help to invest in one of these? What are your opinions on each pipe?
Thanks in advance,
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I have a Blackburn leadpipe for the trumpet shank mouthpieces and it works great. _________________ "It's not the hours you put in your work that counts, it's the work you put in the hours." - Sam Ewig |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1008 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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It's an aging thread, but I also use a Blackburn A pipe. I find the intonation is better and I like using my trumpet mouthpiece. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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