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Welk Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jan 2002 Posts: 348 Location: Montreal,Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be keen to know what, in your oppinion, is the hardest piece (solo, concerto, etude, theme and variation...) that has been written for trumpet. Please post your taught considering the technical difficultie and not simply range. ( Like, of course a piece including a double high C will be really hard to play, but it may not be a technical beauty!)
The only thing that come to my head is Carnival of Venice And his 4 variation, but I don't have much knowledge in trumpet litterature, so there are probably many other difficult song to play. |
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fuzzyjon79 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 3014 Location: Nashville, TN
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Carnival of Venus - Allen Vizzutti
La Virgen De La Macarena - Rafael Mendez
Just two right off the top of my head...... _________________ J. Fowler
"It takes a big ole' sack of flour, to make a big ole' pan of biscuits!" |
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FlugelFlyer Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2002 Posts: 1450 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Anything written by Allen Vizzutti is going to be tough. Ever listen to Firedance? Vizzutti goes from wailing double C's almost immediately into double-tounging octaives. Interestingly enough, when Aurturo does it he double-toungues double octaives . _________________ Trumpet: Bach 180LR, 72 bell
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NIKE_07032 Regular Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Silver Spring
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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i believe truly that the hardest pice to ever to be played on the trumpet is Rafael Mendez version of Moto Perpetuo. He does circular breathing and double tongue at the same time for about 10 minutes i think, not sure how long the piece is. the only one who has come close to that is Wynton Marsalis, but even he couldn't double tongue and circular breathe at the same time. The rest of the trumpet literature available can be played if one works hard on it, but this particular piece is the hardest ot my knowledge. |
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pedaltonekid Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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La Virgin de la Macarena as played by Vincent DiMartino (Mendez version with more flash and range).
Tartini Concerto
Michael Haydn Concerto
Stars and Stripes Forever piccolo part - fun to do for outdoor concerts in the summer. _________________ Best Regards, Play Well!! |
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musicemt Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Peter Maxwell Davies: Concerto for Trumpet
Allen Vizzuti: The Rising Sun
Jolivet: Concerto no. 2
Just my personal top 3.
Ben _________________ "Imitation, assimilation, innovation"
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pedaltonekid Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Arturo Sandoval plays a concerto that was written for him for his Classical album. Very tough. _________________ Best Regards, Play Well!! |
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TrumpetPly1 Regular Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 60
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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The following concertos are some of the hardest pieces out there unlike some of the previous mentioned pieces that are only playable by certain players such as Allen Vizzutti. These pieces are very hard but not unobtainable like The Carnival of Venus. They are: The Tomasi Concerto, The John Williams Concerto, The Vainberg Concerto, The Malcolm Arnold Concerto, The Tartini Concerto, etc...
The list is much longer but there are a few to start with. In my opinion, I think the Tomasi Concerto is probably the hardest concerto with the John Williams coming quite close.
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bachstrad72 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2002 Posts: 871 Location: NJ/Philly
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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"Space is a Diamond" as recorded by Gerard Schwarz. Scary, plain and simple....not the piece, the perfection of the playing.
http://www.artofthestates.org/cgi-bin/piece.pl?pid=15
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BobList Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 1104 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Nope..ya'll are all wrong..it's the second time thru the shout chorus of "Shiny Stockings".
In the 4th set. :^)
Bob List, baltimore |
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pedaltonekid Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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It's too bad that Gerard gave up playing the trumpet. He is a great conductor, but man he could play. _________________ Best Regards, Play Well!! |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11315 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Hardest piece - depends on what you can do.
Someone has already mentioned the Malcolm Arnold concerto. For me, that is not too hard at all, I actually enjoy playing it. It just seems to fit under my fingers and lips.
For many players Brandenburg 2 would rank very high (pun intended ) on their lists. Not only is it quite a difficult piece as a trumpet part, but the real challenge comes with trying to be an equal to a violin, oboe and a recorder! That high and that delicate is the real challenge!
Especially if you try it on a natural trumpet!!
For me, some of the insane writing of Vizzutti has got to rank as virtually unplayable. The guy is a freak of nature.
I know many excellent technical players, but if you give them a slow melody they will make nothing of it. They are incredible at finger waggling and their tongues can go at ludicrous speed, but there is very little music happening, in my view. A slow melody played well is just as hard as any piece filled with demisemiquavers!
Saying all that - give me a piece with chord symbols on and I am completely stuffed! Even if they are so simple that I can work them out (no often) I find putting together a coherent line next to impossible. It's just something I have never had to learn how to do. I specialise in baroque piccolo trumpet playing - not much call for improvised solos! |
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RJ Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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My vote is for "Space is a Diamond". or Gaburo's "Mouthpiece". |
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tbrinson Veteran Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 186 Location: Augusta, GA
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: |
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On 2004-03-19 09:52, NIKE_07032 wrote:
the only one who has come close to that is Wynton Marsalis, but even he couldn't double tongue and circular breathe at the same time. |
By couldn't, do you mean "couldn't" or "didn't". There's a big difference.
Wynton plays a pretty damn near impossible solo on Standard Time Vol. 4(Marsalis Plays Monk) on cut #6 (Four in One). The melody is hard at enough at the taken tempo and then Wynton just blows me away when I hear the technical proficiency on his solo.
I think the Del Stager(sp?) is harder than the Arban, but those before are right, Vizzuti tops in all. _________________ www.equinoxorchestra.com
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FlugelFlyer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sergei Nakariakov can double tounge and circular breathe at the same time. If you go over to his site at http://www.nakariakov.com , there's a video clip of him circular breathing at one point while double tounging. It's hard to catch, but it's definately there. _________________ Trumpet: Bach 180LR, 72 bell
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Maxamillion Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much anything Allen Vizzuti plays is insane. He came by here not too long ago and it was amazing. one of the movements of one off his songs(I think it was called "Bullet Train")was incredible. He circular breaths and double tongues in that song. _________________ Bach Strad
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the chief Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 1438 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | the only one who has come close to that is Wynton Marsalis, but even he couldn't double tongue and circular breathe at the same time |
Actually, Wynton does the circular breathing throught "Moto Perpetual", and I think it would be much more difficult to do Wynton's version, slurring the entire piece. _________________ "Your mind is your kingdom; that's where you exist" |
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jazz_trpt Heavyweight Member
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Jazzy_Mike Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Josef Haydn's Trumpet Concerto in E Flat Major third movement
I have a copy and can only play a few bars! _________________ Keep Playin'
Mike
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wvtrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Tomasi Concerto.....!!!!!!! _________________ Freelance Performer/Teacher WV, PA, MD, and OH http://www.neil-king.com
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