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abrogard Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:00 pm Post subject: Are the trumpet and bugle pitched the same? |
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I have some British army bugle calls. Quite a few of them have two staves presented for us: one marked 'trumpet' and one marked 'bugle'.
Sometimes an octave apart. Sometimes a sixth.
The bugle always higher.
What's the fundamental for each? The same or differs?
I asked GPT and first it told me they are an octave apart and then later denied it.
Gets pretty confusing sometimes, that thing. Just like the real world. |
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tptptp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 1410 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know in general, but my Getzen Field Trumpet has two slides. One to play in Bb and the other to play in G.
That's all I know about bugles. _________________ Craig Mitchell |
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Didymus Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Posts: 307 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Are the trumpet and bugle pitched the same? |
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abrogard wrote: | I have some British army bugle calls. Quite a few of them have two staves presented for us: one marked 'trumpet' and one marked 'bugle'.
Sometimes an octave apart. Sometimes a sixth.
The bugle always higher.
What's the fundamental for each? The same or differs?
I asked GPT and first it told me they are an octave apart and then later denied it.
Gets pretty confusing sometimes, that thing. Just like the real world. |
Traditionally, American military bugles or field trumpets were pitched in G.
In other traditions and in other countries, bugles and signal trumpets were in different pitches. For example, cavalry trumpets used in many European militaries were pitched in low Eb.
Many manufacturers in the modern era sold bugles as natural field trumpets pitched in Bb, because most trumpeters are going to own a trumpet in Bb- that's the key they are used to.
tptptp points out that his Getzen field trumpet is in Bb, tuneable to the lower key in G. I guess Getzen made them that way as a concession to both modern practice and tradition. _________________ Enjoy the journey. |
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abrogard Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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well do you think you could play it open into a music tuner such as, maybe, https://theonlinemetronome.com/instrument-tuner ?
when I play my trumpet open into that I get about 233 cps. As best I can hold steady. That's Bflat the tuner tells me. And that's what it should be.
And that's what I blow when I read middle C below the treble stave. |
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Speed Veteran Member
Joined: 13 May 2015 Posts: 295 Location: Mississippi
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I sound the bugle at Civil War living history events, where authenticity is important. I typically use a replica of an 1860s bugle. It is in “C” but it has a pigtail that is inserted to drop it to “Bb.” That’s for infantry. Artillery bugles appear to have typically been in “G” in that era.
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9385 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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The bugles (which are technically field trumpets) traditionally used at Arlington for high-profile funerals are pitched in Bb. The standard “U.S. Regulation” and Boy Scout field trumpets are pitched in G.
The traditional British duty bugle is pitched in Bb, and the British cavalry trumpet is pitched in Eb. Even though some of the calls are written an octave apart, my guess is the book is intended for these two instruments. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2017 Posts: 1560 Location: Virginia USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:52 am Post subject: |
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When I saw this post, I thought to answer, depends on the trumpet and the bugle, and then add an explanation, but I see all I would explain has been well documented by other posters, so what they said. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Bb Cornet: Getzen 800 DLXS
Pic: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Std
Bass Tr: BAC Custom
Nat. Tr: Nikolai Mänttäri Morales Haas replica |
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