Wondering about coming over to Team Callet/Tce?

[Douglas James]

Hey everyone. first things first: Thank you to Mike P. from here who graciously and very generously gave me an incredible consult today which really was more of a lesson. I want to thank him and also explain why I am here.

Mike was able to identify my lip swelling problem. Turns out my Embouchure needed some tweaks. (don't worry I'm getting to Callet).

These new tweaks, basically changed me to, as Mike put it;
"a Quasi-beginner"

so, here I am at a cross roads.

The last week was horrendous for me as far as frustration levels. I don't want to go through that again. I came very close to quitting and I am resting my chops for a the next 5 days. (going to be wickedly difficult).

As i see it, I have two options.

Continue with my current embouchure set and go from there, or investigate TCE, since there are some things I really like about it(so far).


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So why am I asking about Callet/TCE?

this last week in trying to seek answers I looked at every possible solution to see what I was doing wrong. I didn't know much about TCE, (and still don't hence here I am) but watched some vids on it. I liked the philosophy of it at the very least.

since I am basically having to go back and redo some things, I thought if I am going to have to go back a bit, why not explore Callets work to see what thats all about?


The playing I have heard of Bahb Civiletti sounds amazing. Truly one of the best sounding players i have ever heard, recording at least. THAT is the the sound I am aiming for.

my only problem is I have not seen any vids of anyone who claims to be a Callet student, playing at high levels?

I'm not saying they aren't out there, but the ones I saw were just recordings. As well no vids I saw, where players others claimed to be TCE players, were expounding or promoting the virtues of TCE??

There is a guy in the U.K who professes to be a TCE practitioner, and he sounds good in the short vids he does doing scales, but I still haven't heard him play any standard repertoire. Again I'm not saying he can't or doesn't, just that I haven't seen him do any.

what I do love is the sound of his attacks/articulation and his high register scales.

Bahb C's playing of the Natural trumpet is out of this world. at least in a recording.

So, I have a lot of questions.

1. what advantages would TCE/Callets system have over a standard or conventional embouchure?

2. Does it take the same amount of time to progress on TCE as a conventional system? given two students of the same ability, teeth structure, etc.

3. Other than Bahb, who else is a big name (world class player) proponent of TCE that can vouch for the system??

4. Is it more difficult to learn?

5. where would someone start if they were going to invest time and money into that system?[

6. I wonder if any of the recordings mentioned may have been altered or done in sections?

7. What are the players thoughts here that have looked into it?

8. are there any seasoned players in this forum that could help me learn more about it?


9. Would I need to invest a lot of money into different equipment to do TCE?

10. are the claims made by TCE practitioners, legit? i.e. less air use, no overblowing, easier higher register etc??

11. I welcome all feedback form all players whether indicting TCE or promoting it. I want to get a fair assessment of it.

my current bias of it is, that it looks to me to be the same work, effort, and time, money etc. as any other system.

I can't say if it has any advantages or disadvantages to any other system, because I don't know and have never done it. basically I view all systems as just one particular way that could work well for a given player. pls correct me if that view is limited?

thanks!!
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[JayKosta]

I don't know if anyone will object to this type of thread in the dedicated 'Callet' sub-forum.
You might get a wider range of info and opinions if you create a new thread in one of the non-dedicated sub-forum - e.g. fundamentals or pedagogy.

The dedicated sub-forums are typically limited to discussion strictly about the 'subject' of it - not for evaluations of its accuracy, value, usefulness, or in-depth comparisons with other methods.

2 videos that I know about involving Callet are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anXDj7f9g0g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NtrvlRt0-g
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KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.

[Douglas James]

[ldwoods]

I also find TCE of great interest. In my early exploration, I find a lot of what TH user "donovan" posts to be insightful. He also posts some youtube videos discussing TCE that I find helpful.

https://tonguecontrolled.info/

I can not figure out how to sort or organize all of his youtube clips, but here is a link to one of them. He is a very nice guy and replies to the comments on his youtube videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exYmegw_XE0
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[tomba51]

To see some videos of a world class player using Callet's method, watch Herb Smith's videos. He's with the Rochester Philharmonic and he's also a free lance jazz player.
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https://www.youtube.com/@herbtrumpet/videos

https://herbtrumpet.com
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[Douglas James]

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