Monette Flumpet cups on a cornet

ThatDude · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Jul 2009 Posts: 372

Anybody tried the Flumpet cups on a cornet piece?
How efficient are they to play?
Sound? Response?

Ps what's the deal with the lack of slap cups on cornet/flugelhorn Mpcs?

GordonH · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:05 am Post subject:

Yes, B2 and B4 at different times. I was playing Monette trumpets at the time but not their cornet.

The cup on these is a straight V shape and very deep. Most cornet mouthpieces have a relaxed S profile to the cup with a partial second cup. This means that the Monette sounds mellow, but without the compressed edge you normally get in the upper register or at loud dynamics on a cornet. To me, this meant it did not work for brass band and it did not really have enough edge for jazz either. It was somewhere in the middle.

I note that Monette have developed a new type of mouthpiece for their Cornette instrument and I assume this will be a relaxed S shape. It is a different fitting though.

My advice would be to work out what kind of playing you are planning to do and find a mouthpiece appropriate and you will probably get better results. If you live in the US then Curry might be your solution.

I am currently playing:

Flip Oakes X3X for brass band
Custom mouthpiece made from top of a Wick 3 trumpet (deep bowl shaped) and backbore from a Bach 6 for jazz.
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Andy Del · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:49 am Post subject:

Yes, I play on his 3 series mouthpieces, including cornet. I have a flu pet cup on my only cornet mpc, and use it on both Bb and C instruments. It works superbly,band I've used it in a brass band, as well as many times in orchestras... I find it gives a rich, full sound. Maybe more of a French sound then British, but I can't fault them.

We all have different tastes and preferences, of course...

Cheers

Andy

edit: I should have added that it maintains its sound, unlike some mouthpieces which feel dead, and may not line up with some cases, where a 'Clydesdale teste-ground' tone is mandatory in the upper register... (think about it) Plus, his soprano cornet mpc is quite stunning. Not a flumpet cup at all, and really sings without that torsion in the sound!
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snichols · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:51 am Post subject:

Those flumpet mouthpieces scare me. I've seen a few and am pretty sure I could fit my finger through the throat if I really tried...

GordonH · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:59 am Post subject:

Smaller than a Wick 2 though. Throats are smaller too if i remember correctly (unless its the prana version).
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Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

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jenglish · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 142

+1 on what Gordon said. My B2FL from ~2006 had (I lost it) a straight V shape, and extremely mellow sound. The high range is there - it didn't have that "dead" feel that I associate with a straight wick.
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Danbassin · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:10 am Post subject:

When Ron Miles started playing cornets more often than trumpets, Dave came up with a redesign for the FLUMPET, deep "V" shaped cups which were already great-playing cornet mouthpieces. The one I play is a 1-1FL R6, where we can imagine the "R" standing either for "Ron" or "Round" since there is something a bit more bowl-shaped as the cup approaches the throat. It's still a very deep "V" shape, but this is likely related to the 'Slap' design for bowl-shaped cups, only now for the deep "V"s.

They work great, are very forgiving to play (if you don't contort yourself into a pretzel, or do anything crazy as you approach the high register --- remember that high notes feed on AIR!), and have a beautiful sound.
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ThatDude · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Jul 2009 Posts: 372

Mouthpieces are for long cornet by default right?

Can the upper register cut in a concert band? Small group jazz?

Andy del, what did you mean by that Clydesdale line?

Andy Del · Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject:

Danbassin · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:42 am Post subject:

Andy Del · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject:

Just to add to the general mess of cornet mouthpieces, cups etc. I played soprano cornet using a Monette Eb cornet mpc recently. It has a very rounded bowl type of cup. My normal Bb cornet mpc with a flumpet cup worked SO much better! In other words, it helped make the unplayable, playable.

It was, however, a Sovereign soprano.

Pity it took a 2 hour rehearsal to work it out.

cheers

Andy
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kerouack · Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 1:45 am Post subject:

I am experimenting using an old Monette PRANA FL mouthpiece with a Monette 993 instrument.
Result is quite nice in my opinion. I would prefer to have a Monette cornet but the 993 is what i have.