View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
ALETRUMPET Regular Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2022 Posts: 84
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:46 am Post subject: Mouthpiece and age |
|
|
I used to play a Bach 3C, now I switched to the Yamaha BSJazz because it's easier, but I don't really like the sound. Too mushy. I preferred Bach, which however has too strong an angle and is more tiring to play at my age. Has anyone had the same problems? Which mouthpiece did you choose? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
chase1973 Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Posts: 139 Location: Valdosta
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
If the angle of the bite is now too sharp on your Bach, you can simply have somebody like Ken Titmus, whom I recommend, alter the rim of your old Bach piece. You can tell him specifically what's going on and like a fine medical Dr, he can fix the problem or offer additional options. Give him a call 1-407-335-7293 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2673 Location: Anacortes, WA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
chase1973 wrote: | If the angle of the bite is now too sharp on your Bach, you can simply have somebody like Ken Titmus, whom I recommend, alter the rim of your old Bach piece. You can tell him specifically what's going on and like a fine medical Dr, he can fix the problem or offer additional options. Give him a call 1-407-335-7293 |
The concept of the comfort of a mouthpiece changing means you have changed. Why not try a smaller diameter? That changes the angle your lips contact the rim and hence the perceived sharpness. _________________ Richard
Today's Cornet: York Eminence
Today's Mouthpiece: Marcinkiewicz CG Personal 16 Throat |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jul 2016 Posts: 768 Location: USA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:59 am Post subject: New mouthpiece |
|
|
Go to your local music store and check out the different used mouthpieces.
Have you ever tried a 5B or 5C mouthpiece? _________________ Jupiter 520 M lacquered Shepherds crook cornet
Blessing XL lacquered Shepherds crook cornet
Denis Wick 4 W gold & Denis Wick 4B classic mp
Jupiter 9e silverplated short shank mouthpiece
Bach Megatone 5B mouthpiece |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mograph Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Feb 2020 Posts: 164
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ldwoods Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 1866 Location: Lake Charles, LA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 7:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Have you tried any Schilke or Yamaha 4 rims? Compare the Bach 3C to Yamaha 14B4, might be what you are looking for. _________________ Larry Woods
LDWoods |
|
Back to top |
|
|
cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8939 Location: Orange County, CA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 8:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
If you thinking of going smaller that's hard with Bach because the Bach 5, 6, 7... feel entirely different. To my lips the Yamaha "4" rim feels fairly similar to the Bach 3C shape. And with Yamaha it's easy to go smaller while preserving the general feel. The 14B4 or 13B4 might be worth trying. My kids both really like the 13B4. And these are cheap and easy to try. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
|
Back to top |
|
|
nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2358 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I played Reeves 43W rims for over 20 years. The soft bite makes the rim feel a bit bigger than a Bach 3C.
Now that I'm 60 they don't work anymore. I tried the Bobby Shew Jazz for a while and it sounded fine to me, but felt too big (as in, it wore me out).
I'm now playing Curry 5 rims. Definitely a sharper bite than the Reeves W, but not as bad as the Bach 5 rim. I believe Mark Curry designed his 5 rim with a bite more like a Bach 3C. They're working for me. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1882 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
|
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 11:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Before you start a mouthpiece safari, try the "paper" trick.
https://bobreeves.com/blog/this-one-simple-trick-can-make-trumpet-easier/
Depends on the trumpet but Yamaha mouthpieces may insert farther into the receiver of some trumpets reducing the "gap". You might perceive that as "mushiness". If more gap helps, you could have the backbore altered.
The backbore on the Yamaha is also different from the standard Bach #10. You could always have a Yamaha top cut and threaded for Warburton backbores and purchase a Bach #10 backbore or equivalent. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2362 Location: Beavercreek, OH
|
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 2:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
First of all I think linking this to "age', though we are all continuously getting older, is unnecessary.
After time you're realizing that the 3C rim is too sharp for you, a not uncommon feeling.
Yamaha 14B4 or 16B4 - will be a little softer bite to the rim
Schilke's I find to be even softer
Curry's 3C was the solution for me (coming from a Bach 3C), a Bach shaped cup with a little less bite. They feel slightly bigger on my chops but an aspect of the rim shape too. Curry's have the added bonus of having the exact rim shape throughout the range of cups (3M, 3C, 3*, etc all have the rim) _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ALETRUMPET Regular Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2022 Posts: 84
|
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 4:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
Could I solve the problem with a large bore Mouthpiece like Monette? Or make it worse? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2362 Location: Beavercreek, OH
|
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 5:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
ALETRUMPET wrote: | Could I solve the problem with a large bore Mouthpiece like Monette? Or make it worse? |
depends on other factors.. trumpet and how you play.. but you're now addressing a different topic - you've jumped from rim comfort/tone to backbore/throat opening. Yes, they are complimentary but confusing the first topic you brought up.
Get a teacher, one that can guide you through a trial of various attributes of mouthpieces.
It's not the mouthpiece! A new one WON'T solve your problems! They help you achieve your goals more efficiently but solve nothing. Solutions come with ||: practice / repetition / solid & consistent approach :|| _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3380 Location: Endwell NY USA
|
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
Is the BSJazz also tiring to play, or is it just the sound that you don't like?
Have you tried any mouthpieces that are similar in size to Bach 7C. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1493 Location: Sweden
|
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 9:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
In itself an interesting topic - mouthpiece versus ageing.
I thought while getting older that maybe my lips should shrink (as do muscles all over), get flabby or what now - but that didn´t happen. Getting older, for me nota bene, has ment that I have to practice more or at least more "intelligently" that I have in younger days.
I do practice a lot more but this is also related to the fact that I, nowadays, possess my time, work not"disturbing".
So I still play the kind mouthpieces I always did. Same type of rim, diameter etc etc. (Schilke rims 3/4 and diam. round 17,00mm)
Still I can´t play DW mouthpieces (amongst other variables the alpha angle).
But that´s me - variables such as roundness/flatness of rim, the diameter and a host of other variables might be significant!
Hence - from my point of view, all other variables constant except yourself - how about testing practicing more? Not to get superchops but to re-juvenate your chops?
And of course the standard advice: go see a teacher/have your way of playing examined. Maybe a new regimen would do it?? _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1475 Location: OHare area
|
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 6:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Some players do benefit from a slightly smaller mouthpiece as they age and their capacity changes.
Bud Herseth went back to his original NY Bach 7 sizes late in his career.
I played larger mouthpiece in my youth (a Schilke 19 and a GR/Haefner 1HX Signature before settling on a Bach 3C) but after two major surgeries which cut my abs in half and the fact I am now 73, I have gone to smaller mouthpieces - Stork 4C and a Stork VM6 - which make big difference in ease of playing.
You've got to adjust with certain goals in mind and you practice to achieve them.
R. Tomasek |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|