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Blue Devil Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jan 2002 Posts: 168 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:08 am Post subject: John Mohan's Range |
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I wanted to post a message about something that has been bothering me for a little while. I do not intend to start another "TrumpetHerald War" or anything like that, but rather to set a situation straight from someone who has first-hand experience and knowledge about this situation.
I seem to have noticed in the past (and in some cases more recent than others), that some posts on Trumpet Herald have tended to accuse John Mohan (Calude Gordon contributor) of not having a great range. John tends to be a passionate individual in everything that he does, and seems to also invoke a lot of passionate responses from people. Maybe it is as a result of some of the "heated discussions" that some individuals have gotten upset at the strong disagreement that they have with John because they have their own beliefs that they subscribe to. Maybe this has caused some people to resort to writing comments about his so-called limited range and how something like that could negatively influence what others perceive of what he says and teaches - I don't know. I'm not sure how or why some individuals can write or say comments like that without ever having heard John play.
I'd like to set the record straight, once and for all. I'm a full-time student of John's, and besides being a very effective teacher, an all-around excellent player, a genuinely nice guy (despite some perceptions of him being some sort of monster!), John also has an excellent range.
I have personally heard him play consistently up to double C and beyond. The highest I have actually heard him play is a G above double C (that's not to say that's even the limit to John's range, but rather that is only the highest that I have actually heard him play). I have heard him play arpeggios up in this range, I have heard him pick up his horn cold (i.e. first time playing for the day) and knock out an F above high C that would make lots of people jealous, and I have also heard him play musical passages well into the upper register.
Like I mentioned above, it's frustrating to me to read some posts from individuals who have never heard John play, and knock him unjustly, possibly purely because they disagree with what he has to say or in the manner in which he says it. Once again, I'm not trying to start another posting war, or get into a debate about how to play in the upper register - all I wanted to do is set the record straight.
If anyone is in the Chicago area and gets the opportunity to take a lesson or two with John, I'm sure they will see what kind of player and teacher he is for themselves. I personally feel fortunate to be able to study with someone like John.
Mike Trzesniak |
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FlugelFlyer Heavyweight Member

Joined: 19 Dec 2002 Posts: 1450 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I can verify that also. His range is double C at minimum. _________________ Trumpet: Bach 180LR, 72 bell
Mouthpiece: Warburton 3XD/KT |
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trickg Heavyweight Member

Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 4117 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: |
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When he was still gigging in Germany, I called him one day (or he called me, I can't remember which) just to shoot the breeze a bit, and just fiddling around, he pickup up his horn, and cold, played (if memory serves me correctly) the opening sequence of Cats - clean, with not so much as a scuffed note.
Then we were talking a bit about range and he picked up his horn and picked off an F above high C - clean, clear, controlled, full - no sweat. I head this over the telephone line and although a telephone earpiece doesn't offer the best representation of sound, it was good enough that I could clearly tell that he had a great sound and great control.
Yeah, he has range. He has range to burn, but more importantly, John plays with a great sound, very cleanly and very musically, and he can do it up to double C and probably beyond.
John owns the horn, the whole horn and nothing but the horn, so help me Claude.  _________________ Patrick Gleason - Schilke B6, Schilke 14A4,
Kanstul CCF 925 Flugelhorn, Schilke 16F mp
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LeeC Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 5730
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I have never read any posts that put down the quality of Mr. Mohan's playing at all. As far as I know his playing ability is without question. |
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AccentOnTrumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 878
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't John Mohan make it into the semi-finals for the CSO principal trumpet audition? He also has great sound to double C and above I'm sure. I would love to hear him, just so I could hear another great player. I don't like roughly degrading the playing of others, especially a guy who obviously is accomplished. I know we all have probably done it (includes me) at some time or another, but I try to avoid it. Seneca Black told me something that really made total sense to me, he said that any trumpet player who's a motherf*cker, is worried about his own playing, and not someone else's. That's not to say you have to just bow down and kiss up, but there's a difference between not doing that and showing no class. |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5656 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hey there,
Thanks for the kind words from all of you!
I guess one of the reasons I get so passonate on the Herald about the Claude Gordon method is that it worked SO WELL for me.
I was a real "struggler" with marginal range, sound, endurance - the whole bit. And then I happened upon the CG method and became a player as a result of it.
Hit it hard, and wish it well,
John
P.S. It was the opening to "Evita", Patrick.  |
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jakepainter Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Dec 2001 Posts: 120 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: |
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What is so important about John's playing is that he is a great all round player, he's not just some guy that can scream high notes. He's got the whole horn under his command. He does not make mistakes, and at the end of the day that's why he gets booked. The Md's know that when they book him the part gets played correctly.
I had a lesson with him in Berlin a few years ago and he is solid as f***.. was a great lesson, stopped me giving up playing, gave me some hope of playing this hunk of metal for a living and giving up my IT job !!!
Good luck with everything John, and say hello to Anne.. what happened to your dogs in the move to the US?
jake
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5656 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Hi Jake,
Nice to hear from you! And hi back from Anne. We just have one dog (if you remember, we actually have a dog (Safeway) and a cat (Jacki). They both are here with us in Chicago now.
You should come over for a 2nd Crash Course sometime! Probably wouldn't be too expensive of a flight if you came in the off-season.
Best of wishes to you!
Cheers,
John |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5656 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Hi Jake,
Nice to hear from you! And hi back from Anne. We just have one dog (if you remember, we actually have a dog (Safeway) and a cat (Jacki). They both are here with us in Chicago now.
You should come over for a 2nd Crash Course sometime! Probably wouldn't be too expensive of a flight if you came in the off-season.
Best of wishes to you!
Cheers,
John |
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Trumpet4Hire Veteran Member
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 135
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Ok, he can play high. Now we can all sleep better at night.....
T4H |
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scarface Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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How do we know these people standing up for John are telling the truth? I'm sorry, but I will not be able to sleep until I see and hear proof that John Mohan can play to double C and beyond. A simple video clip could erase all doubt and put this to bed.
How about it John?  |
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trickg Heavyweight Member

Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 4117 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| scarface wrote: | How do we know these people standing up for John are telling the truth? I'm sorry, but I will not be able to sleep until I see and hear proof that John Mohan can play to double C and beyond. A simple video clip could erase all doubt and put this to bed.
How about it John?  |
Believe me, he can play high - but that isn't the best part of his playing. _________________ Patrick Gleason - Schilke B6, Schilke 14A4,
Kanstul CCF 925 Flugelhorn, Schilke 16F mp
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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scarface Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I don't doubt it at all, and meant no disrespect toward JM by implying he had something to prove to anyone. I just like to watch people playing high. It can be a lesson in itself, like those clips of Manny Laureano on the Monette website. He makes it sound and look as easy as it ought to be.
Cheers |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5656 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| scarface wrote: | I don't doubt it at all, and meant no disrespect toward JM by implying he had something to prove to anyone. I just like to watch people playing high. It can be a lesson in itself, like those clips of Manny Laureano on the Monette website. He makes it sound and look as easy as it ought to be.
Cheers |
I actually videotaped my self doing Part 2 of Lesson 2 from Claude Gordon's book "Systematic Approach for Daily Practice" the other day. I don't have a website to post video clips to, and I don't have a firewire cable yet to get the footage into my computer. And I'll have to figure out how to do that once I actually buy a firewire!
Actually, I'm thinking about making a better tape of me doing a typical Claude Gordon "Daily Routine" in the correct manner and then selling copies to anyone interested. (I didn't even mount the camcorder to a tripod the other day - I just propped it up on a table and it was a bit crooked, so it's not something worth buying)
How about it? Anyone want to see and hear how to properly practice material from "Systematic Approach" as well as the other books it assigns material out of?
If there's a market out there for an approximately one hour tape of me properly practicing a Claude Gordon style daily practice routine, let me know by saying so in a reply to this post. Figure the tape would cost around $30 including shipping.
Cheers,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
14 Year Claude Gordon Student
1st Trpt for "Cats", "Phantom of the Opera",
"West Side Story", "Evita", "Grease",
Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame", etc.
Burbank Benge 6x
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rbordeman New Member
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'd definantly buy it --especially if you gave instruction throughout.  |
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Trumpet4Hire Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| John Mohan wrote: | | scarface wrote: | I don't doubt it at all, and meant no disrespect toward JM by implying he had something to prove to anyone. I just like to watch people playing high. It can be a lesson in itself, like those clips of Manny Laureano on the Monette website. He makes it sound and look as easy as it ought to be.
Cheers |
I actually videotaped my self doing Part 2 of Lesson 2 from Claude Gordon's book "Systematic Approach for Daily Practice" the other day. I don't have a website to post video clips to, and I don't have a firewire cable yet to get the footage into my computer. And I'll have to figure out how to do that once I actually buy a firewire!
Actually, I'm thinking about making a better tape of me doing a typical Claude Gordon "Daily Routine" in the correct manner and then selling copies to anyone interested. (I didn't even mount the camcorder to a tripod the other day - I just propped it up on a table and it was a bit crooked, so it's not something worth buying)
How about it? Anyone want to see and hear how to properly practice material from "Systematic Approach" as well as the other books it assigns material out of?
If there's a market out there for an approximately one hour tape of me properly practicing a Claude Gordon style daily practice routine, let me know by saying so in a reply to this post. Figure the tape would cost around $30 including shipping.
Cheers,
John Mohan |
Sell a few of those and that will help pay for some more mouthpiece mods/threading at Schilke!
T4H |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5656 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Trumpet4Hire wrote: | Sell a few of those and that will help pay for some more mouthpiece mods/threading at Schilke!
T4H |
I'll have to sell a lot of them.
Actually, I'm totally content mouthpiece-wise at this time. Been using the same stuff for nearly a year now and have no plans to change anything.
Cheers,
John |
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Mikeytrpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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John,
You have mentioned you use a Reeves 43C for lead playing......
Does it have the standard #2 backbore? _________________ Mike Supple
Richfield, Minnesota
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mikeytrpt wrote: | John,
You have mentioned you use a Reeves 43C for lead playing......
Does it have the standard #2 backbore? |
Yep. It's a just a normal 43C with the standard #2 backbore and the standard #26 throat (though most Reeves mouthpieces come standard with a #28 Throat, the C cup models come with a larger #26 Throat). I also use the Reeves 43C piccolo mouthpiece with cornet shank in my Schilke P5-4.
Most of the time on Bb I use a 43B with a #25 throat and the largest Reeves backbore (the #3). I'm probably going to order the same thing with a 22 throat pretty soon as I always like bigger throats in my "general playing / legit style mouthpieces". Maybe I'll get a hold of a #22 reamer and have a go at my spare (older) 43C mouthpiece and see how I like that with a big throat.
Cheers,
John |
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