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Flattergrub
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[quote="Capt.Kirk"]I did not read his rebuttal but being lied to openly with 3 different statement that conflict with each other really is not something I think one can have a good rebuttal too.
Kirk - You have absolutely no credibility on this forum whatsoever. None, zip, nada, nunca, squat, zipola, zero.
I am super nice in person I seldom even raise my voice when upset.
You are full of crap. You consistantly pontificate and bad mouth folks on this forum and everybody knows it.
I did not even confront the person on the phone about lieing to me... She caught herself and got all flustered so again I was super polite and did not even call her on this since she caught herself.....Mary has been working their for some time I would expect her to know their policies and I asked for sales right away.
Again - you have no credibility on this forum. None at all. Go ahead - ask around
A simple No sorry we do not sell to the public is all that was needed.
Now you know. They do not sell to schnooks like you. Only to REPUTABLEhorn makers. Anything else ?
I think that a companies track record of being rude, not helpful in emails or over the phone and lieing to a person or giving them the run around is important information to know about a company before doing business with them.
What we know about you from your posts here is that you consistantly lie, exagerate, bull****, are rude, are insulting and are generally full of crap and you have demonstrated it over, and over, and over, and over in every 7 page diatribe that you inflict upon the rest of the members here.
I do not want to buy a product from people that are not going to treat me well after the sale.
ROTFL - You don't have any cash anyway now do you so I don't think they are gonna exactly miss your sales now are they ?
I should be able to call anytime and should not expect to be given the run around or given multiple version of the truth.
Trust us. Everybody on this forum would just hang up on you.
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Maarten van Weverwijk
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PM sent to the MODS with request to revise.
It might be helpful if more of you guys would do the same, rather than responding to the provocations of a person who is coming from another planet (admittedly I've responded in the recent past too).
May it be clear on whose side I stand.
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TheTrumpetShop
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:14 am Post subject: best valves |
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Andy Taylor's short-throw Bauerfeind valves. 
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TrentAustin
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p76
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Maarten van Weverwijk wrote: | PM sent to the MODS with request to revise.
It might be helpful if more of you guys would do the same, rather than responding to the provocations of a person who is coming from another planet (admittedly I've responded in the recent past too).
May it be clear on whose side I stand.
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...and i will stand with you when you are doing the work of the wise....
I think for mine it would be Olds - every Olds I've had, no matter how old has had terrific valves - they just don't seem to wear out.
Thats FWIW BTW, as I've never tried Bauerfeind or Schilke.
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dabhand
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: Best Valve Blocks |
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Bauerfeind !!!!!
Kind regards
Dabhand
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RL
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| B&S makes very good Valve Blocks......... |
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cjl
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giakara
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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My vote for Getzen , i have try all the brands on the market and still belive those nicel plated valves are the best.
Regards.
PS:I hate the valves of my Yamaha flugel , i have to oil them every single day 
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James Becker
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| giakara wrote: | | PS:I hate the valves of my Yamaha flugel , i have to oil them every single day |
Not to sound like a nag, but you and everyone here should be oiling their valves everyday. Particularly flugelhorns where the valve set is so much closer to the source of moisture coming from your warm breath.
It is true nickel plated valves are much more forgiving, but infrequent oiling will speed up the wearing process leading to failure of even the toughest nickel plated valves.
A possible solution to your Yamaha valves is to apply a coat of nickel plate. We've done this on several Yamaha piston sets with excellent results.
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giakara
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| James Becker wrote: | | giakara wrote: | | PS:I hate the valves of my Yamaha flugel , i have to oil them every single day |
Not to sound like a nag, but you and everyone here should be oiling their valves everyday. Particularly flugelhorns where the valve set is so much closer to the source of moisture coming from your warm breath.
It is true nickel plated valves are much more forgiving, but infrequent oiling will speed up the wearing process leading to failure of even the toughest nickel plated valves.
A possible solution to your Yamaha valves is to apply a coat of nickel plate. We've done this on several Yamaha piston sets with excellent results. |
Yes but all my other horns have Getzen valves and i oil them once a week  and i dont use the flugel every day so is not easy to me to oil it every single day and when comes the time to use it the valves are frozen  .
Regards
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PW-Factor
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I am wondering if the springs on my Xeno are perhaps too stiff. They aren't sticky, but they are slow, and require more force than my Getzen valves. Is that just the nature of going from Getzen to other valves, or should I look into doing something to my Yamaha?
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p76
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| PW-Factor wrote: | | I am wondering if the springs on my Xeno are perhaps too stiff. They aren't sticky, but they are slow, and require more force than my Getzen valves. Is that just the nature of going from Getzen to other valves, or should I look into doing something to my Yamaha? |
If you're confident that they are oiled properly and in good condition, yes, it could be the springs. Go to any decent brass tech., and they should let you try a variety of springs to find something that suits.
It can make a lot of difference!
Cheers,
Roger
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James Becker
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| giakara wrote: | Yes but all my other horns have Getzen valves and i oil them once a week and i dont use the flugel every day so is not easy to me to oil it every single day and when comes the time to use it the valves are frozen .
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What I should have said is to oil every day you play the instrument in question. Since flugelhorns like other doubling instruments do not get played everyday it would be wise to oil after you play so you protect the valves with a good coat of oil. It only takes a minute or two and will keep corrosion at bay while your instruments is not in use.
Just remember, greatest damage we see in our shop comes from neglect to regularly clean and lubricate.
I hope this is helpful.
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KingSilverSonic
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the note on the flugelhorns. I have not played my flugelhorn in months and the valves have not been oiled during that time. Will start oiling after I play.
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shofarguy
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I like pistons that are light and fast responding. Light, because I want to hold the horn with as little force in my grip as possible. Light weight pistons require less effort to push and return, so this translates (in my experience) to less effort, tension and fatigue in all areas of playing.
I have two fundamentally different trumpet valve porting styles. I assume (and this could be totally the wrong conclusion) that the Besson style ports of my Benge give it a somewhat smeary, but more lyrical quality, while the Kanstul Signature (not sure if they're Bach or Olds style) ports seem to give better, crisper note separation. I have grown to prefer the latter.
Neither of these were on the pole list, so I'll shut up now. 
Brian
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