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conn53victor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 1047 Location: Iowa City, IA
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: eBay Connstellation Massacre |
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On eBay, a 1966 Connstellation "is in really quite nice condition. As you will notice in the photo's it has been restored in it's past. The owner decided to give it a custom look by giving it a 'satin' finish on the exterior of the body."
At first I thought that the lacquer had been stripped, leaving the nickle to go grey. The lacquered brass portion show wear, but the satin isn't a choice I would make.
Connstellation Massacre _________________ Jim Calkins
IA City
"Rooty toot bop pattern. Rooty toot blues lick. Rooty toot Miles quote. Rooty toot mistake- all my solos." -Dmitri Matheny
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carltrumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 530 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno ---- I kind of like it |
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Capt.Kirk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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If you look at it I think they did a good job ont he bead blasting it appears to be done very even. I do think they should have redone the slides and the caps though. I mean really how hard is it to strip the lacquer buff them and re-lacquer them? Satin finish works one of two ways if the entire horn is done that way or if you have highly polished contrasting parts. They can be brass or gold plate but they really should be highly polished not pock marked.
I like that they left enough of the Consolation's engraving to still be seen. A novice would have obliterated it with over blasting.
I think I would gold plate the brass parts not in silver right now if it where mine including the trigger.
It is not bad though I do not think so at least. Plus the Consolation's was never a sexy looking horn. It was or is kind of short and pudgier looking. _________________ The only easy day was yesterday! |
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gbdeamer Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 2303
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:55 am Post subject: Re: eBay Connstellation Massacre |
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conn53victor wrote: | At first I thought that the lacquer had been stripped, leaving the nickle to go grey. The lacquered brass portion show wear, but the satin isn't a choice I would make. |
Probably wouldn't have been my first choice either, but not the most horrific thing I've seen. |
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ConnArtist Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 2833 Location: La-la Land (corner of 13th and 13th)
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
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I think it looks pretty sharp. It's not like there aren't a bazillion Connstellations out there... _________________ "Stomvi" PhrankenPhlugel w/ Blessing copper bell
1958 Conn 18A cornet
1962 Conn 9A cornet (yes, the Unicorn )
Reynolds Onyx cornet
c. 1955? Besson 10-10 trumpet
1939 Martin Imperial Handcraft “Model 37”
1986 Bach Strad 37 ML |
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supportlivejazz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: |
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carltrumpet wrote: | I dunno ---- I kind of like it | I actually never liked the look of the stock Connstellation. I always thought the Conn version of silver looked more like chrome plating. But then again, I prefer lacquer horns anyway. This particular version doesn't look all that bad to me either.
I do have to admit publicly that I really have never been a Conn fan... simply and purely personal preference. I've owned several, 38A & B, 28B (liked that best) 6B, 8B... did like the 10B. Anyway, this horn doesn't look that bad to me and it does look like it was a quality job. _________________ Conn 6B
1940s Blessing Artist
Olds LA Special Model Cornet
"I'm not apologizing, I am what I am. There'll be no compromising, I don't give a damn." |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 1668 Location: West Medford, MA
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Capt.Kirk wrote: | If you look at it I think they did a good job ont he bead blasting it appears to be done very even. I do think they should have redone the slides and the caps though. I mean really how hard is it to strip the lacquer buff them and re-lacquer them? Satin finish works one of two ways if the entire horn is done that way or if you have highly polished contrasting parts. They can be brass or gold plate but they really should be highly polished not pock marked.
I like that they left enough of the Consolation's engraving to still be seen. A novice would have obliterated it with over blasting.
I think I would gold plate the brass parts not in silver right now if it where mine including the trigger.
It is not bad though I do not think so at least. Plus the Consolation's was never a sexy looking horn. It was or is kind of short and pudgier looking. |
_________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 1668 Location: West Medford, MA
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Capt.Kirk wrote: | If you look at it I think they did a good job ont he bead blasting it appears to be done very even. I do think they should have redone the slides and the caps though. I mean really how hard is it to strip the lacquer buff them and re-lacquer them? Satin finish works one of two ways if the entire horn is done that way or if you have highly polished contrasting parts. They can be brass or gold plate but they really should be highly polished not pock marked.
I like that they left enough of the Consolation's engraving to still be seen. A novice would have obliterated it with over blasting.
I think I would gold plate the brass parts not in silver right now if it where mine including the trigger.
It is not bad though I do not think so at least. Plus the Consolation's was never a sexy looking horn. It was or is kind of short and pudgier looking. |
Consolation? Nice. Hey man, I got mine! But on to the meat of your opinion, I agree. Fer instance, my 80-odd year-old Victor New Wonder was original in satin, with highlights such as the bell in gold wash. Works for me! _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 1712 Location: Shreveport, LA
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Capt.Kirk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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No I have held Kanstuls version though and seen at least 40 Constalations fairly close and they always struck me as pudgier because of how large and open the wrap is. To me sleek long lean looking with clean lines that is sexy. Short and wide is more cornet like and cornets are not sleek or sexy! It has nothing to do with how they sound or play I think they are a fantastic horn they just do not look sexy to me at all no matter how pristine!
So the Olds Line From French to Recording all long, lean sleek and sexy....The French Bessons again long sleek and sexy.....The Coutois more of the same long, lean like a dancer's body.......The Conn Voca Bell models long lean sexy.......Most of Conns line up though is wide open wraps short and pudgie. I will say they have had some killer engraving over the years.
Sorry you think short and pudgie is hot but not everyone is going to share my opinion or yours just a fact of life! For the record my wife was a model and modeled internationally and did dance and before she meet me so I am a tad biased! She did a lot of Mannequin like shows where these use human models holding still for hours in displays. She did Harrods in London that way and a lot of Hotel and amusement park opening all over the word like South Africa and Europe and Asia. So I am biased toward long lean and sleek looking forms trumpets to car's to women! I am open though about my bias and I know I have one! If it helps I am pudgie not at al long, lean or sexy!!!LOL _________________ The only easy day was yesterday! |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Capt.Kirk wrote: | Sorry you think short and pudgie is hot but not everyone is going to share my opinion or yours just a fact of life! |
Again, you've totally missed the point. I'm not debating what is/isn't 'hot,' 'sexy,' etc. To each his own on that, and I don't use those terms with horns anyway.
A Connstellation is anything but short and pudgy feeling in the hands. It's a rather tall horn (long pistons and wide wrap) with a bigass bell. Short and pudgy would perhaps more describe the early "pea-shooters" which the Connstellation is not. _________________ Dave M
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trumq Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 335 Location: san francisco
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: |
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supportlivejazz wrote: | I actually never liked the look of the stock Connstellation. I always thought the Conn version of silver looked more like chrome plating. |
Isn't the Connstellation actually nickel plated? _________________ paul
Henri Selmer 80J
'63 Olds Studio
'55 King Liberty
King altonium
'47 Conn 80A |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 1668 Location: West Medford, MA
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Of the pudgy varietals, there are several short-stuff offerings including those with Connstellation inscribed. Otherwise, as shown, there is the long cornet.
When the lacquer on these fissures, they look like heck. The finish as shown looks appealing to me.
The wide (actually, tall) wrap of several Conns feels really good in my hands, which aren't huge but aren't at all long or lean. But they don't fit at all into or on to peashooter-type tubes. _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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daDavemeister Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 798 Location: Sonoma, Ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I want one bead blasted to a satin finish and then painted Vietnam era jungle camouflage. Ohhhh yeaaaah! _________________ Dave Lindgren of Sonoma, Ca
Bach 37 Bb, Yamaha Malone 6445HII C, Schilke P5-4, Schilke E3L-4, Dotzauer Rotary C, Benge 8Z cornet, eBay flugel |
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Tuba Veteran Member
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conn53victor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: |
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OP sez, Point taken. The thread subject line was written by a newspaper headline writer who neglected to read the actual post. Yeah, that's my story. _________________ Jim Calkins
IA City
"Rooty toot bop pattern. Rooty toot blues lick. Rooty toot Miles quote. Rooty toot mistake- all my solos." -Dmitri Matheny
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I looked at the pictures after I'd read all the replys so far. I expected to hate it, but it actually looks kind of cool! I agree that the brass parts should have been relacquered (or gold plated) to complete the look. Even bright silver-plated slides, caps, etc. would have looked pretty good, since the inside of the bell flare is still polished nickel. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Couple of years ago I was ga-ga over a bead-blasted Olds. Like this trumpet it had a 1st slide trigger. That auction blew up, way over the $440 I had in hand, so someone else scooped it.
Because that Studio was silver it looked prettier to some, perhaps less tool-like 'industrial' than this nickel Connie. Because I missed out on that Olds I had the cha-ching for my 28A, so it all worked out.
So to the OP, one question: Are you in?
That's to say I really like your tag line! Half of what I do here is join in with a brag or a complaint, so it's a good reminder/motivator to "just hit it." _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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supportlivejazz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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trumq wrote: | supportlivejazz wrote: | I actually never liked the look of the stock Connstellation. I always thought the Conn version of silver looked more like chrome plating. |
Isn't the Connstellation actually nickel plated? | Actually I believe you may be right. Whatever it is, I still feel the same though. It's just never been a horn that I warmed up to... totally my preference... many think they are great. _________________ Conn 6B
1940s Blessing Artist
Olds LA Special Model Cornet
"I'm not apologizing, I am what I am. There'll be no compromising, I don't give a damn." |
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