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VetPsychWars
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 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: Half of a collection |
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Since I wanted a way to keep from buying every Buescher I ever see, I've decided to "collect" each trumpet and cornet in the 1939 catalog (find that on Horn-U-Copia). Today I received the last cornet of three. I already have two of the trumpets, only one more to go!
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Model 275 "The 400"
Model 266 "Custom Built"
Model 261 "Aristocrat".
I do have the missing parts for the Custom Built. Note that the Aristocrat has a narrow wrap. Who would have thought to do that for a cornet?
The trumpet I'm looking for is the Model 240 Custom Built. I already have The 400 and the Aristocrat.
Tom
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Sweet looking bunch!
Did Buescher make a flugel? Probably not back then, but just wondering?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Half of a collection |
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| VetPsychWars wrote: | Note that the Aristocrat has a narrow wrap. Who would have thought to do that for a cornet?
Tom |
Maybe a Conn 40A and even tighter wrap on a cornet. Looks like a peashooter style trumpet from the 1930s.
Very nice horns and an admirable collecting strategy. Enjoy them !!!!
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VetPsychWars
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | Sweet looking bunch!
Did Buescher make a flugel? Probably not back then, but just wondering? |
Yes, they did. Extraordinarily rare and expensive when you do find one.
They didn't start making it again after WWII. Why? Who knows?
Tom
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Tom,
Always nice to see the old Bueschers - especially side by side, with comparisons, etc.
| Quote: | | I've decided to "collect" each trumpet and cornet in the 1939 catalog (find that on Horn-U-Copia). Today I received the last cornet of three. |
Not trying to add to your list, but the 1939 catalog also lists a model 274 cornet. Have you ever seen one? I have two 400s, both without a model number stamped on the middle valve. One has the smaller bore indicated in the catalog, and I am guessing it is a 274. However, it has NO trombone water keys (i.e. regular keys) and appears to never have had a 3rd slide ring. Otherwise it looks like a 275. Any confirmation? I would post a picture but it needs some bell work done.
Best in the new year,
Tim |
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VetPsychWars
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| Seouljourner wrote: | Tom,
Always nice to see the old Bueschers - especially side by side, with comparisons, etc.
| Quote: | | I've decided to "collect" each trumpet and cornet in the 1939 catalog (find that on Horn-U-Copia). Today I received the last cornet of three. |
Not trying to add to your list, but the 1939 catalog also lists a model 274 cornet. Have you ever seen one? I have two 400s, both without a model number stamped on the middle valve. One has the smaller bore indicated in the catalog, and I am guessing it is a 274. However, it has NO trombone water keys (i.e. regular keys) and appears to never have had a 3rd slide ring. Otherwise it looks like a 275. Any confirmation? I would post a picture but it needs some bell work done.
Best in the new year,
Tim |
I do have a 224 trumpet! However, it has a broken valve stem and was refinished by the worst repair tech on the planet, so I'm not in a rush to do anything with it.
As for no third slide ring mount, I have seen that before but it appears to be rare.
Not sure about the 274, as I have never seen one. By all means post a picture, no matter how mangled it is.
I have confirmed that the earliest of these horns did not have model numbers marked, for whatever reason.
Tom
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I have a question regarding some vintage Buescher cornets...and this gets into obscure Buescher history.
There was a "Buescher Artist" cornet virtuoso named James F. Burke who recorded many solos. This was during the era of the other famous cornet soloist Leonard B. Smith, and during the days of the famous New York City Service Band of America, and the Goldman Band.
James F. Burke was physically handicapped with only the use of his right arm. He had custom made Buescher cornets to facilitate holding the cornet with one hand, and using a third slide tuning kicker.
Anybody have any information on the Buescher cornets he played ?
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Correction:
The band in New York City was called "The Cities Service Band of America" directed by Paul Lavalle. Originally sponsored by the Cities Service Oil Company in a weekly band concert radio series around 1950.
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I don't have anything specific enough to say but this page says he played a custom-modified Super 400 cornet.
http://www.jfbcornet.com/biographyresume.htm
If he had a Buescher horn before WWII it would have been a Model 265 Custom Built. Similar to my Model 266 above without the heavy unitized valve casings. Apparently the Model 265 was so popular that they made them even in the immediate post-war period.
On the home page of that site and in the gallery, you can see the Super 400.
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Hey, you've mentioned one of my idols from my childhood (along with Don Jacoby, Rafael Mendez, and Louis Armstrong). For those who aren't familiar with the tribute site, here's a pleasant place to spend a few hours listening to a great player:
http://www.jfbcornet.com/
Sorry,Tom, I guess we were posting at the same time. I'd just noticed that some of my old links to the pages within that site had quit working.
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Thanks guys,
A very interesting site for anyone into cornet playing.
It looks like he only had the use of his left arm. I may have been looking at a reverse photo before.
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| RogersBrass wrote: |
It looks like he only had the use of his left arm. I may have been looking at a reverse photo before. |
That happens a LOT more that people think. Art directors like a picture a different way, so they do it, regardless of the consequences.
It does look that, in the later photos, he was playing stock cornets instead of having them modified.
I have no doubt that the Buescher factory was more than happy to do whatever he liked while he was endorsing them.
Tom
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| That's right, it was his left arm that he was able to use. He had his cornets made so that it was easier for him to hold with his left hand. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Here are some more old Buescher's (excuse the "mangled" one).
Top to bottom:
1939 400 - Model 275
1941 400 - Model 274
1936 Custom Built - Model 265
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| VetPsychWars wrote: | | Crazy Finn wrote: | Sweet looking bunch!
Did Buescher make a flugel? Probably not back then, but just wondering? |
Yes, they did. Extraordinarily rare and expensive when you do find one.
They didn't start making it again after WWII. Why? Who knows?
Tom |
Found a page of pictures of one thanks to Google.
http://www.all-brass-instruments.com/brass-73007-Vintage-1938-Buescher-TrueTone-Flugelhorn-NORESERVE
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