New Convert Needs Advice.

[gospeljohn]

Hi all
I,ve been working with Trumpet Yoga for 2 months.
I switched to a Conn22B from a large bore Holton LT302(for sale)and i use a Shilke 6A4A.
My next step is to switch to a better mouthpiece.So,i,m considering a superchops SC3.
How close to a Bach 10 and a half is it?Reason is,i can pop over to my local dealer to try one with the extra wide rim.I,ve also been compiling a list of possible pieces to buy,its all a bit difficult finding them here in France.
Curry 10.5z,series 600 -40S.Stork Vac5E, Yamaha 6A4A,GR 63Z**,Warburton 7ES with a "#2 backbore,Laskey 30ES,Parduba 4 and a half harry james model .
If anyone has used any of these and the SC3 i would be interested in gaining some knowledge_whats better than the Shilke for you and why kind of stuff.
I really like the Conn 22B _just needs a bit of soldering on one of the braces.The Shilke i kept from when i last played regularly.So,yes i,m on a comeback in my third month.
I,m really enjoying tce ,but it is tiring on my diaphragm and tongue (good signs )
The comments on the SC3 in other posts is very encouraging for me ,but i don,t want to buy a piece thats too big!Yes,i have very thin lips ,not in the tce position tho,.I think i look like an alien with my lips all rolled out.No doubting that this technique works.

Thanx to everyone for leaving so much good info here.

Carey.

[goldenhornplayer]

Carey--

I wonder why you're still studying Trumpet Yoga since the Callet method has continued to progress far beyond that? The DVD set and even the Trumpet Secrets book is much more current.

The SC3 rim is approximately the Bach 10 1/2 diameter, perhaps slightly smaller. I have the Curry 40S and it is in the "ballpark" but other parameters of the SC3 make it a noticeably better choice for me. --Ken B.
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[gospeljohn]

hi guys
thanx for the comments.
I found an old copy of trumpet yoga at my local music school,so i just started using it.It isn,t too different to what i,ve learned here.My spit buzz is coming on etc.Question of money to buy the dvd.
Sounds like i can avoid a mouthpiece safari (nice turn of phrase)and go for an SC3 .The Shilke has started to feel big which i didn,t expect.Playing the 22B is very different to large bore.The sound is very big and i feel the air really well .
How long will it take for my tongue to get strong?My upper register is ok,but i,m concentrating on tone production lower down.Will it get easier in the upper register?I feel my teeth are being pushed hard with this tce.

Thanx Carey

oh,btw i,m in Annemasse near Geneva.I,ll be looking for work around November.Jazz,funk,blues etc.

[gospeljohn]

Just to follow up!
Anyone wanting to sell an SC3 please contact me here.Quite a big price-tag new.

Thanx Carey Adams.

[silverhorn]

I find that the superchops 3 is the perfect fit for most players who use a MSC or modified MSC/TCE etc embouchure. I have a parduba 3 in my collection And find the rims very similar to the SC 3 but have a very distinct double cup design. I've tried a Bach 10.5 EW and found it very different and not as comfortable or easy to play even though it has a similar inside diameter to the SC3 and also has a wide cushion style rim. I also highly recommend the MSC DVD if you want the most up to date instructions on MSC technique.

[tptguy]

Carey, As you are in Switzerland, consider taking some lessons with Olivier Theurillat - principal trumpet, Berne Symphony Orchestra and professor of trumpet at Lausanne Conservatoire. Olivier has studied directly with Mr. Callet and is a superb teacher. Most of his students have switched to MSC as well as SC3/4 mouthpieces and SIMA trumpets in Bb and C.

http://www.myspace.com/olivieranthonytheurillat

Best wishes, Kyle

[gospeljohn]

thanx tpt guy
i already checked that out vaguely.I doubt i could afford the price .Still,i may well contact him in Sept ,see what might be possible.I know he no longer teaches in Geneva.

cheers Carey

[gospeljohn]

hi guys
i wondered if anyone could tell me if the parduba or sc3 cup is shallower than my Shilke6A4A?I find i,m pivoting quite a bit as i start to tire in the upper register around top C.I feel my lips protruding further into the cup;making me wonder if a smaller cup would give me more endurance.I,m torn between trying the Parduba 4 or maybe the 4 and a half Harry James model which is apparently shallower.The Shilke feels fine width-wise.The rim is too narrow for me tho i think.
I,m not able to pay for an SC3 straight away;so i,m compromising by buying a few smaller pieces ,the Parduba first,then a Curry and a Laskey.
Hopefully then i,ll be stronger anyway and my new embouchure will have developed more.
Tongue between teeth gives a much better attack.My lips don,t feel so sore at the end of practice sessions.Overall,an improvement over my old K-Tongue Caruso etc etc teachings.
Cheers Carey.

[silverhorn]

[gospeljohn]

hi ho silver!
helpful input.I agree,my tongue is not used to this new freedom,so time will tell.
A Parduba 3 looks smaller than a Bach 10 and a half or my 6A4A on some of the comparison charts.At Parduba their chart places the 4 as the 6A4A equivalent.Parduba 5 equals the Bach 10 1/2
Oh well,at least a Parduba will have a wider rim for more comfort and endurance.I,ll start there and see which model works best.I may stay away from the others if their rims aren,t too comfortable.
I just would like more info on the difference between a Harry james cup and the regular one and how that compares to an SC3.
Anyone?

cheers carey

[silverhorn]

[gospeljohn]

does anyone know the inner rim size on the SC3.My Shilke is 630._16.00

Thanx carey

[Daveman]

I purchased a Parduba Harry James 4 and half to try. I found it far too small to produce a good sound. The SC2 feels much bigger and produces a much bigger sound. I currently use a Kelly Screamer which feels very similar to SC2 and has great sound and intonation with my Yamaha Z. This is a very cheap mouthpiece and works great with TCE so good choice for TCE beginners to try.
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[gospeljohn]

hi dave
thanks for the input.I went ahead and odered a Parduba 4 H.James model.I hope it comes soon.I tried out a Bach 10 1/2 ew today.The inner diameter is too big for me and the alpha angle was too sharp as well.The rim was ok,but too bevelled away from my lips i thought.My Shilke 6A4A is the best i can find at the mo.I,m looking forward to trying the Parduba ,then i,ll probably buy an sc3.Is it Wayne Bergeron or Roger Ingram that plays a Kelly?I looked at them,interesting and v,cheap.!
I play a Conn22B from 1925,i am having it cleaned ,a valve alignment done and dents removed and a brace soldered.It measured up well against a 1972 Constellation and a Benge X3 ml bore which had really nice valves and a very bright sound when pushed a bit.
I guess after 3 months of daily practice that just have to be patient in terms of range and endurance.TCE does tire my diaphragm and my embouchure can,t take a lot of long high phrases(basie lead charts)yet.
But i can squeeze it all out.I used to have a usable all night range up to A above top c at least,so it is frustrating practicing and not making faster progress.Still,i had a different technique back in the 70,s.
I guess i,ll have to cough up the 90 bucks for Mr Callet,s dvd .

[gospeljohn]

As I'm new to TCE i'm taking it more slowly as i get more used to the feel. My tongue definitely stays between my teeth all the time,so i guess its just tonguing exercises as usual that will develop my range and endurance.
That said,i,m still interested in trying a few new mouthpieces,see if anything helps to produce a higher range .
I,m getting my Conn overhauled this week as it has a few things that need fixing and i,m waiting for a Parduba 4 to arrive.
I just have to be patient.

thanx carey

[gospeljohn]

The Parduba finally got here,and the rim is really comfortable,but the inner rim has a nasty bite unlike my Shile 6A4A.
I,m gonna see how i go,but i might see if i can get the inner rim changed to the Shilke alpha angle.
Cup-wise its fine.
I could maybe get a custom shilke 6A4A made ,but with a 29 throat like the SC3.That might help with slotting above top C.

[gospeljohn]

dave,
do you still have the Parduba 4 1/2 ? Maybe the 4 i just got is just too small.The cup is shallower than the Shilke6A4A,and the inner rim is much sharper too,but the wider rim is very comfy.Had an interesting blow today where my chops reacted to the new piece.

cheers carey

[Lucky Phil]

Hi Carey and greetings from Liverpool.
I just stumbled upon this thread so here goes.
If you haven't already got a Superchops 3 then just get one. If you use the TCE method there is nothing better.
Full tone, no compromises, perfectly balanced.
Yes thats right, Anglesey Chester, Liverpool. How's things?
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[gospeljohn]

heh heh!
i sold it on already dude;it was too big for my chops.I;m still using my Shilke 6A4a.I ;m hitting Super aA;s with my new MF HORN Holton ST308 S.
I,m looking around at other pieces a bit,but now i,m just letting lips settle into the Shilke on the bigger bore.I was using a 1925 Conn22B for the last 5 months which has a 438 small bore and sounded great but i couldn,t articulate my be-bop on it
The 459 Maynard jazz horn is fantastic for me.
I don,t use tce anymore except a bit of double pedals to relax.
I have a very forward tip tongue up behind my top gnashers.I practice above g a lot to tongue.
Check around here phil,i,ve written quite a bit of stuff in various threads.
I,m wearing some new **** now as it appens lol!.
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