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defrancop
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 Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: Mouthpiece Placement |
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| I use an SC4 mouthpiece. I have a very thin upper lip and my bottom lip is sort of fat. My moutpiece placement causes the inner rim to be on the skin of my upper lip while the inner rim is in the red on my bottom lip. I tried raising my lower lip upward to put the moutpiece inner rim into the skin and I can play it is just my lower register in terrible. Does any one have any thoughts on this. P.S. I do MSC. |
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defrancop
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| It sounds fine and I can play E above high C. I don't push it any further than that right now because I am still developing. |
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silverhorn
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Just curious if any of you keeps your lower lip on the rim of the mouthpiece or if you try to keep your lower lip inside the rim at all times. Thanks in advance for the replies. It's been great reading everyones posts here.  |
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| silverhorn wrote: | | Just curious if any of you keeps your lower lip on the rim of the mouthpiece or if you try to keep your lower lip inside the rim at all times. Thanks in advance for the replies. It's been great reading everyones posts here. |
hi Silver, for me the question in MSC is not much of were the lower lip is in relation to the rim but mostly in realtion about its role on the embouchure: the position in relation to the rim is determined by that.
Recently I'm trying to take it again into a more efficient position in relation to the forward tongue.
To do that I think about the consonant V and F were the lower lip come in contact with the edges of upper teeth.
Now that same edge of upper teeth is also were the top of the tongue articulate in TCE and were the upper lip slightly curled in on the ice-cream lick is supposed to stay in contact.
Opening the jaw while keeping a relaxed V or F consonant on the lower lip, that will then have a tendency to go toward the edges of upper teeth, create a soft barrier that is a safe haven to resist the tip of the forward tongue.
The edge of upper teeth become the fulcrum of the isometric forces and so now even if the lips are not at all aiming at pressing against each other they sure are mostly inside the rim in between it an the wide forward tongue.
Please let me know if this makes sense to you. I may demonstrate it in a video sometimes.
thanks,
Lb
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silverhorn
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Hey Lb!
Thanks for your thorough reply. Everything you said seems to make sense but im having trouble picturing the V or F consonant. If you get a chance to post a video showing what you mean that would be very helpful. Thanks again for your helpful post! |
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| silverhorn wrote: | Hey Lb!
Thanks for your thorough reply. Everything you said seems to make sense but im having trouble picturing the V or F consonant. If you get a chance to post a video showing what you mean that would be very helpful. Thanks again for your helpful post! |
I mean like when you say 'Very' of 'Full' stressing a little the first letter: observe where your lower lip goes when you say 'Vvvvvery good' or 'Fffful of money' and create a tendency to keep it there.
Let me know.
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| Thanks for explaining the V and F consonants Lb! Now it makes more sense |
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Hello,
Getting more into having the lower lip there by help of the 'V' or 'F' attitude I'm getting even better results.
The lower lip stays relaxed in the right position forming a wall between the forward tongue tip and the rim and help supporting the embouchure and avoiding pressure. Better sound all around and better high notes. Just a question to get the new habit.
Keep the rest as it is: even more little air, jaw open, tongue wide and forward articulating against edges of upper teeth.
Let me know if you wish,
Luca
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silverhorn
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| lubonv wrote: | Hello,
Getting more into having the lower lip there by help of the 'V' or 'F' attitude I'm getting even better results.
The lower lip stays relaxed in the right position forming a wall between the forward tongue tip and the rim and help supporting the embouchure and avoiding pressure. Better sound all around and better high notes. Just a question to get the new habit.
Keep the rest as it is: even more little air, jaw open, tongue wide and forward articulating against edges of upper teeth.
Let me know if you wish,
Luca |
Thanks Luca! After making a small adjustment to my setup, I find that it helps alot and I am pretty much playing as you have said. Just wondering if the others do this too or are they doing something else? While all the posted videos in this forum have been great, it's hard to see the finer embouchure nuances such as this in a video unless someone like you explains it in detail. |
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Yup, it works, from now on I'll have only Vanilla Ice-cream!  
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