Check out this New all Red Brass Model from Carol

TrumpetAce · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject:

Flattergrub, you don't seem to be conducting yourself in a civil manner. Trent has maintained his demeanor, and presented himself as a gentleman with high standards of conduct. Just sayin'...
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Allain18 · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject:

I have recently purchased a Carol 388R cornet from Trent after owning and playing every possible cornet with the exception of Eclipse, Taylor, Smith Watkins,and Blackburn & Monette. I paid under $1,000.00 and I honestly feel that it's the best sound and feel that I have ever experienced in a cornet regardless of price. I have also owned and played such vintage cornets as Olds Recording, King Silvertones, Buescher True Tone, and Boston 3*'s. The Carol cornet has renewed my interest and passion in playing the cornet again, just when I had given up hope. Give it a try. Thank you Trent Austin.
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Flattergrub · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 699

Still waitin for the answer to this.

Where should all inquirys regarding all warranty repairs be sent (address, phone, email) ? Who is doing the repair work here in the states (address,phone, email) ? What are the terms of the U.S. warranty ?
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TrumpetAce · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject:

Those are valid questions, and I trust that we will have an answer soon. These are important questions that will need to be addressed. Especially since the Carol brand is on my short list of horns to try before I make my next purchase.
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Crazy Finn · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject:

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Crazy Finn · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject:

Right, but the point is, if you buy and keep your horns, then resell is pretty irrelevant.

Obviously, you've bought and sold several from your posts. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that.

I only buy horns I'm going to play. And then I play them. And keep them. I've never sold a trumpet. Ever. I don't buy many, either.

So - again, if you don't wheel and deal, then who cares about the resell if you like the horn?

I'm much more concerned with how a horn plays than what it's worth later - since it's still going to be in my cases for years to come.

That's just me though. I know I'm an anomaly on TH in that way.
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nordlandstrompet · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:29 am Post subject:

The CCR9990-RSM is the top of the new line, "Materials", cornet,
pricing mentioned here as $ 1.700

The rebranding doesn't cost "a lot", but there is "a lot" of CB horns out there
which are being sold at very good "clearance prices", so to pick up 1 ad
which mentions the new top model and start ranting over it is just unbelieveable.
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Paul.Trumpet · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:37 am Post subject:

Having seen 4 Carol horns and been a play tester for shops and picked horns for pros, but working as an engineer, I can confirm the Carol horns are very well engineered and provide a professional level of performance like a Strad, Getzen, Xeno or even a Schilke.

The killer feature for me is the even scale, low G to high G over 3 octaves feels and sounds the same.... nobody else can do that for $1100. But they also have their own sonic character and blow feel. I've had to go into the mouthpiece drawer a few times to find "the match" between me and the horns.

Warranty? I'm sure the lacquer may need touching up over the years but the metallurgy looks good to. I got a discount on my 628R because the third slide had a lacquer defect. It's a lot of fun to play and as I don't play for money that's the deciding factor.

Another thing, I ordered a round tuning slide for the 628R from the factory and it was built and shipped quickly and fitted perfectly without lapping in. Inside the tube is a mirror finish. Who else can do that?

Should I mount it on the wall to admire the superbly engineered silver twin tube leadpipe and gold brass bell or play it?

These guys are a start up, they're going to get better.....

What was the thread about?
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BobD · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:21 am Post subject:

I have a problem with Flattergrub's comparison of a Getzen cornet to a Carol cornet. He's comparing on price only. If I were comparing these two horns and the Carol played better for me, I wouldn't buy the Getzen just because it's a Getzen.
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Paul.Trumpet · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:38 am Post subject:

Here is your homework - you can buy a twin tube silver leadpipe trumpet with a 37G bell and tight steel valves for $1000-1100 off Ebay from professional dealers who are sole traders and players.

What else would you try out? It must be new or ex demo.....

thanks!
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rufflicks · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:26 am Post subject:

Wow this got twisted. Let them come, let them build, let them learn with the hope they perfect their product. We all win do we not? Competition is what drives innovation, and the market. I tried a Taylor early in their introduction to the US. I played 2 notes put the horn down and wondered to myself what were they thinking. Well there are those that would love to swim naked in a pool full of Taylor horns. Thank God for Taylor trumpets; they please a segment of the market. I may not like a horn but I am not going to impede it's attempt at establishing a market just because I don't like it or because they don't have marketing. They get it right, fantastic some of us get the horn we have always dreamed of. Let them come.

Big Daddy · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:47 am Post subject:

I believe the thread was started by the Capt. bragging about Carol Trumpets' products and once again putting down the American Horn Companies. The Capt. seems to do this in most of his rants.

Why Bash the American Makers in the first place. What works for one doesn't always work for another. Isn't that why there are hundreds of mouthpieces?

If you like Carol Trumpets then buy one, tell us how great it is and let the consumer judge for himself without critizing the American companies. These American horn builders make a fine product that has been tested for decades by people and professional players all over the world.

Personally I prefer to keep my money and support in America and will try to buy American made products first.
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NavyJazz · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:34 am Post subject:

In response to Ruff....what horn what would you swim naked with?

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Paul.Trumpet · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject:

You are entitled to your opinion as is the CAPT guy.

But you seem to have risen to his bait instead of ignoring it.
Everyone else realises that brands have died out in the last ten years and the remaining companies have hiked their prices up. They pass off defects they think you won't notice.

And I'm left wondering why you haven't got yoursefl a Willson Celebration cornet instead or just a normal Kanstul 1531 like your K2. Have you seen John Packer instruments with SW leadpipes?

Must be personal choice. The only reason to buy a SW is to have him fit the bell and leadpipe to the player.

The local salvation army use their Sparx and Warburton mouthpieces in nice old Getzen 800 Eternas with copper bells. Its a beautiful thing to hear a horn worn from use over 20 plus years played well by old men you don't expect a great performance from.
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Flattergrub · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 699

"And I'm left wondering why you haven't got yoursefl a Willson Celebration cornet instead or just a normal Kanstul 1531 like your K2. Have you seen John Packer instruments with SW leadpipes?"

1. Nobody selling Willson cornets in the U.S. so no place to try one out.
2. I have played all the Kanstul stock horns and the Kanstul 1531 is not the same as the the SW K2.
3. John Packer horns are not carried in the U.S. so no place to try one.

"Must be personal choice. The only reason to buy a SW is to have him fit the bell and leadpipe to the player."

No - one of the best reasons to buy a SW "Soloist" is so that "I" can choose the leadpipe that fits me best. Order the horn, then have them send you out a bunch of leadpipes and then choose the one that you think best fits you and that specific horn. [/quote]
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Paul.Trumpet · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject:

I've played them all to and the more basic 930 custom was my favourite of Zigs, after the pricier & fantastic Willson.
You just have to suit yourself. Philip Cobb likes them.

I can't stand Wick though. I like GRs E65/3 on cornet.
SW recommend you play it with a Sparx as well.

Back on topic -
Why are you writing about cornets in a thread about Carol trumpets?

It's not like some religious or political arguement?
It's just a forum for free conversation and opinion.

No offense is meant or intended.
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Brassgurus · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: