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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Capt. Kirk is not completely full of crap Reply with quote

In a recent post the Capt. suggested the use of Castrol Super Clean. I tried it and my horns have never been cleaner. The silver Bb (sorry Capt., a Bach) looks as if it was polished and buffed. The valves look like new. With virtually no scrubbing the product removed the oxidation from the slides. I can't recommend this product highly enough, although next time I'll wear rubber gloves. It is a bit rough on the hands.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's that rough on the hands, have you given thought to the long term effects of it on brass, silver plate, etc.? Anything that cleans that "aggressively" as you describe, has an effect on the materials.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that should not be surprising.

Kirk posts more useful information than most of us here.

He's way more informative than some heavy posters here on TH.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: Capt. Kirk is not completely full of crap Reply with quote

trombino wrote:
In a recent post the Capt. suggested the use of Castrol Super Clean. I tried it and my horns have never been cleaner. The silver Bb (sorry Capt., a Bach) looks as if it was polished and buffed. The valves look like new. With virtually no scrubbing the product removed the oxidation from the slides. I can't recommend this product highly enough, although next time I'll wear rubber gloves. It is a bit rough on the hands.


Gravity sucks. That pull makes a pipe convey the most liquid when only 95% full. Better to not be completely full of anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect this product is no more harsh than the petroleum based solvents that a lot of shops us when they do a chemical bath. I also suspect that the professional repair people use gloves when handling any harsh chemicals. I can't speak to the long term use of any chemical. Simply don't have the knowledge base in that area.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it need to be diluted? If so, what is the optimal dilution?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for dilution, Can't say what is optimum. I soaked the disassembled trumpet in hot soapy water for 1/2 hour. Then I sprayed full strength onto the body of the instrument and on all remaining parts. I sprayed directly into the leadpipe, bell, inside all slides, valve casings and the like. Then I swabbed everything and rinsed. You will want to rinse very thoroughly. I did the valves separately in a coffee mug.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll stick to products that won't kill me if ingested... like if you accidentally don't get all of it out of your horn.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lipshurt wrote:
... Kirk posts more useful information than most of us here. ...


Useful or not, no one posts as much as he does either. ...

In fact, I might actually agree, but you have to sift through a myriad of BS, from misspelled words, incorrect punctuation and syntax, the telling of illustrative tales having very little to do with whatever point he gets to, and flat-out misinformation, in order to get to the smallest tidbit of usefulness.

For whatever useful information there might be in all that, for me, it simply is not worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Blackwell wrote:
lipshurt wrote:
... Kirk posts more useful information than most of us here. ...


Useful or not, no one posts as much as he does either. ...

In fact, I might actually agree, but you have to sift through a myriad of BS, from misspelled words, incorrect punctuation and syntax, the telling of illustrative tales having very little to do with whatever point he gets to, and flat-out misinformation, in order to get to the smallest tidbit of usefulness.

For whatever useful information there might be in all that, for me, it simply is not worth the effort.


I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id=3011002
This is a link to the MSDS which says the product's health rating is "serious". Any product should be safe if used according to its manufacturer's instructions.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

It's kind of like the old saw about if you put an infinite number of monkeys in a room for an infinite amount of time, one will eventually accidentally type out some Shakespeare. Kirk uses the same methodology.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam West wrote:
Bill Blackwell wrote:
lipshurt wrote:
... Kirk posts more useful information than most of us here. ...


Useful or not, no one posts as much as he does either. ...

In fact, I might actually agree, but you have to sift through a myriad of BS, from misspelled words, incorrect punctuation and syntax, the telling of illustrative tales having very little to do with whatever point he gets to, and flat-out misinformation, in order to get to the smallest tidbit of usefulness.

For whatever useful information there might be in all that, for me, it simply is not worth the effort.


I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You mean CNN.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trombino wrote:
As for dilution, Can't say what is optimum. I soaked the disassembled trumpet in hot soapy water for 1/2 hour. Then I sprayed full strength onto the body of the instrument and on all remaining parts. I sprayed directly into the leadpipe, bell, inside all slides, valve casings and the like. Then I swabbed everything and rinsed. You will want to rinse very thoroughly. I did the valves separately in a coffee mug.


Thanks. Only inquired because I saw the product referenced on an auto forum where people liked the product had myriad dilutions for different cleaning jobs......might give it a try. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam West wrote:
I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You win the internets good sir. Well done!

- Steve
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pfeifela wrote:
trombino wrote:
As for dilution, Can't say what is optimum. I soaked the disassembled trumpet in hot soapy water for 1/2 hour. Then I sprayed full strength onto the body of the instrument and on all remaining parts. I sprayed directly into the leadpipe, bell, inside all slides, valve casings and the like. Then I swabbed everything and rinsed. You will want to rinse very thoroughly. I did the valves separately in a coffee mug.


Thanks. Only inquired because I saw the product referenced on an auto forum where people liked the product had myriad dilutions for different cleaning jobs......might give it a try. Thanks again.


This just really seems like a bad idea. Someone is going to get sick. At least the competing product, Simple Green (which I love, but never use on trumpets) is nontoxic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrptSTP wrote:
Adam West wrote:
I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You win the internets good sir. Well done!

- Steve


You guys need to check your intonation, not to mention your facts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian Moon wrote:
TrptSTP wrote:
Adam West wrote:
I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You win the internets good sir. Well done!

- Steve


You guys need to check your intonation, not to mention your facts.

How could Adam get the internets? I thought Gore got the internets.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian Moon wrote:
TrptSTP wrote:
Adam West wrote:
I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You win the internets good sir. Well done!

- Steve


You guys need to check your intonation, not to mention your facts.


No sir, you and your buddy the Capt do

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-21-2011/fox-news-false-statements
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In fact, I might actually agree, but you have to sift through a myriad of BS, from misspelled words, incorrect punctuation and syntax, the telling of illustrative tales having very little to do with whatever point he gets to, and flat-out misinformation, in order to get to the smallest tidbit of usefulness.

For whatever useful information there might be in all that, for me, it simply is not worth the effort.

Word.

TrptSTP wrote:
Adam West wrote:
I think the capt's day job is as a producer for Fox News.


You win the internets good sir. Well done!

- Steve


Adam beat me to posting a few relevant Fox "News" links. Well done!
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