Does anybody make a heavy weight lead horn?

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5792

No one builds trumpet's like this becasue they are block heads and greedy........It cost's more to make any tube you want to bend thicker and .025 and thinner is easily the current standard for main tuning slides and leadpipe wall thickness. Never mind that mandrel tube bending has been with us since the 1950's I think???? My aftermarket exhaust can have it but not my trumpet.....It keeps the tubes from getting wrinkles during the bending process by pulling a ball through the tube as you bend it or a mandrel.

Second the industry pander's to half lies and half truth's so they make the entire trumpet light weight or heavy weight instead of asking the right questions........."What is the goal? What do I need to make heavy? What do I need to make light? What weight should the bracing be to accomplish the goal? Instead they think like dinosaur's with tinny little brains.....If a little bit is good a lot must be even better so you end up with either a standard weight horn, a heavy beast like tank or a horn so ultra light weight just looking at hard will dent it! Common sense has been missing for a long long long time in this industry!!!

Why would anyone sheet brace a main tuning slide and bell bow but then use their regular bracing and regular weight tubing and other parts on a horn?????? Just because you can toss some mass at a horn does not make it a well designed or engineered product! I am not a fan of companies tossing sheet bracing on horn in non-critical area's in an attempt to make it look like something it is not!!!

So be careful when it comes to large OEM's and fake heavy horns and such! I am sure if you wanted a properly designed heavy lead horn Jason Harelson, Dave Monette, Andy Taylor, Calicchio would all be willing to build something like what I was describing with their own tweaks and idea's for sure! Any company that only has one thickness of tubing and such for their leadpipes and main tuning slides and braces should be avoided!
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dmb · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject:

Maybe, just maybe, it's because the horns that almost EVERYONE that plays the lead book, or 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, scream, any part in a symphony, orchestra, concert band, brass band, or anything else sounds great with a regularly braced, normal weight trumpet.
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crzytptman · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject:

trumpetchops · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 2644

I am going to agree with Tom that a heavy trumpet won't give you the right sound for lead. I'm going to disagree about why.

The heavier trumpet is more efficient. More sound will come out front because less is lost through the walls of the trumpet. The sound holds together like a Lazar. When you play lead, you want the sound to break up a little. That's where the sizzle comes from. Because the sound holds together so well and projects, you can't hear yourself as well and the guys sitting next to you can't hear you. This makes you play louder than you intend. Now you lost the great efficiency of the heavy trumpet and are too much out front.

I think they work in the symphony because you can hear yourself. It's a different thing. You want the sound to stay together.
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garrett901 · Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:20 am Post subject:

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crzytptman · Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:11 am Post subject:

Thanks, Charles!
So there you go - not lead.
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