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christophac7
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 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:28 am Post subject: Any difference in playing Trumpet vs Cornet (embouchure) |
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Hi all,
So I recently made it into the District Honor Band, and for almost all the parts (save one) I have Cornet parts and not Trumpet. I own a '47 Buescher Aristocrat Cornet (Model 266) and have had it for about 2 years. I have played it once or twice with my school ensemble and a bit in personal practice, but when I play, my range and sound is significantly different from my trumpet playing. My mouthpieces are almost the same, Bach 2-3/4C on Trumpet and Bach 3C on Cornet. I do understand the mechanical differences between the two, but the sound is more drastic of a change then when I hear my peers change between the two. So are there any different approaches that would help improve my Cornet sound? (Given all of my parts are 2nd/3rd, the range isn't an issue currently).
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VetPsychWars
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Yay for the Model 266! That's actually an Aristocrat Custom Built, and that is ONE RARE HORN. Take care of it.
You're hearing a drastic change because that cornet is a true cornet and not a trumpet that was wrapped funny. It's actually supposed to sound like that.
As for range, that horn is very efficient, and you might just be blowing too hard, which it won't let you do. Back off a bit and play from the front of Arban quite softly and after a short period you'll get the feeling of how it wants to be played.
For my own research purposes, what is your serial number? I doubt that's a '47 horn... but I would definitely believe a '37 horn.
Post a pic if you can. 
Tom
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christophac7
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Here's some pictures of my cornet
Full Cornet
Valve Casing
Bell
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VetPsychWars
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VERY nice!
The front slide is for tuning, by the way, and the rear slide is for quick change to A.
These cornets are extremely rare. Yours is the second I've seen in many years... the first being one that I just sold (I have nowhere to play cornet).
Tom
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christophac7
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Wow really? I always had assumed the rear was the main and the front was a fine tuning slide. I actually just noticed for the first time yesterday that when I pull them both out I'm in A.
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VetPsychWars
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| christophac7 wrote: | | Wow really? I always had assumed the rear was the main and the front was a fine tuning slide. I actually just noticed for the first time yesterday that when I pull them both out I'm in A. |
I kid you not.
Tom
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Any difference in playing Trumpet vs Cornet (embouchure) |
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| christophac7 wrote: | | ...I do understand the mechanical differences between the two, but the sound is more drastic of a change then when I hear my peers change between the two. So are there any different approaches that would help improve my Cornet sound?... |
Sounds like you have it right and the others need to change their cornet sound. There should be a noticable change in the sound between a cornet and a trumpet. However...you typically get more feedback from your own playing on a cornet, so you are hearing yourself better. That could be part of it.
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The embouchure for both is the same. What changes is the way you blow. It's different because the resistance is different. You get used to the difference by just spending time on the horn.
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| robertgrier wrote: | | The embouchure for both is the same. What changes is the way you blow. It's different because the resistance is different. You get used to the difference by just spending time on the horn. |
This answer really makes sense to me.
I love the sound of the cornet yet can't seem to get one to work for me - I have always thought that I'm playing it too much like a trumpet and hence, find it hard work to get it to respond as I'm used to.
And..., picking it up once in a blue moon whilst on a gig doesn't help me either.
Trumpet to Flugel - no problem
Maybe I'm just not a Cornet kind of guy. 
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robertgrier
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trumpethead, try spendind time with the horn. I would suggest playing half your routines/practice on the cornet. It may take a couple of weeks to really find "home" on the horn.
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