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joefab
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 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: SCAM ALERT!!! |
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Hey everyone,
I just want to give a heads up. I have a Bach 43(H) advertised. I recieved an inquiry from a certain Dean Graham. He asked a lot of questions. I sent him answers.
He then sent me an email saying he would buy the horn. I sent him a Paypal payment request form. He sent me the "payment" through "Paypal". I received what looked like an official communication from Paypal.
However, he kept insisting that I first have to send $400 to an "agent", then when I show Paypal that I sent it by Western Union, Paypal would release the full amount(+$450). The communication I received from Paypal even gave me specific instructions.
I was extremely suspicious because I told him twice that it would be cheaper if I just ship it to him for $50-60. Being the case, I contacted Paypal directly. After a few questions, they informed me that it was a fraudulent transaction.
I have received several of these types of offers before and it was easy to identify it as a fraudulent buyer. However, these guys were REALLY good. The "official" communication from "Paypal' seemed very legitimate. They had all the official logos, same fonts. They had all the numbers to call, etc...
Anyway, again...just a heads up to everyone out there. All my transactions on this site, both as a buyer and seller, have been really good and I feel I have made a few friends in the process. Pass this warning around to our community.
Regards to every one!
By the way...the Bach 43(H) is a great horn and still available!!(haha) |
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joefab
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Here is some information.
His email address is....dean graham <dean123456_graham@yahoo.com>. I have no address for him, but his "agent" is....Green Sproch
755 colorado ave space b
calhan, co 80808.
United States
regards,
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: SCAM ALERT!!! |
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| joefab wrote: | | However, these guys were REALLY good. |
| joefab wrote: | | However, he kept insisting that I first have to send $400 to an "agent", then when I show Paypal that I sent it by Western Union, Paypal would release the full amount(+$450). |
Seriously???? 
Anytime someone asks you to send money on their behalf to someone else run! |
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Mr Heidi
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for giving us a heads up.
Scammers |
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supportlivejazz
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If you don't have to go to the Paypal site and log in to perform ANY Paypal action or payment or response to a message, then it is a scam. Report it to Paypal.
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Brad361
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads up!
I agree with LittleRusty; any time anyone mentions an "agent"........that's it for me.
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Nos Mo King
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Sproch? Pointed ear fellow who has a funny way of waving bye bye?
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ScottGerweck
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I agree with supportlivejazz--report it to paypal.
I recently bought a horn and sent payment for a large amount. Paypal (a real person...) called me up to be sure it was legit before releasing my money. They seem to want to do a good job.
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joefab
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup!....I did report it to Paypal. |
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HornofPlenty
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| The guy just contacted me about buying a trumpet too. Poor grammar and asked one or two silly questions in his laundry list of questions. I deleted the email, then did a search and found this topic on TH. |
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| Just got the same email over the weekend on my NY Bach...DELETE |
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Bill
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: RE: Graham |
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Here was his email regarding my Callet Soloist:
Their message: Hello Seller,
i am interested in your ITEM on www.trumpetherald.com place for sale and will love to know the final price and I'm willing to purchase it for my DAD as a gift due to been offhore at the moment and i can only pay via paypal payment.As for the price am pleased with it and the condition, so i want you to consider the item sold.I will like to ask you some questions:
1} Are you the original owner of the item?
2} Do i need to repair ?
3} Will you accept paypal a payment
4} Will allow local pickup at your location ?
5} Do you have more pics ?
6} What is the weight ?
7) Are you the Real Owner?
 Get back to me with the actual price you are willing to sell. Please do get back to me with your paypal email account so that i could make the payment.
Regards.
Name: Dean Graham
dean123456_graham@yahoo.com
It just sounded so weird. Purchasing for his DAD. Offshore problem. Too many red flags.
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Brian Moon
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This guy has now contacted me twice under this name. I suspect that it is the same people/person that we have had for a while who has been studying how to write a better scam letter.
Still not very good at it.
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Brad361
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: Re: RE: Graham |
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| Bill wrote: | Here was his email regarding my Callet Soloist:
Their message: Hello Seller,
i am interested in your ITEM on www.trumpetherald.com place for sale and will love to know the final price and I'm willing to purchase it for my DAD as a gift due to been offhore at the moment and i can only pay via paypal payment.As for the price am pleased with it and the condition, so i want you to consider the item sold.I will like to ask you some questions:
1} Are you the original owner of the item?
2} Do i need to repair ?
3} Will you accept paypal a payment
4} Will allow local pickup at your location ?
5} Do you have more pics ?
6} What is the weight ?
7) Are you the Real Owner?
Get back to me with the actual price you are willing to sell. Please do get back to me with your paypal email account so that i could make the payment.
Regards.
Name: Dean Graham
dean123456_graham@yahoo.com
It just sounded so weird. Purchasing for his DAD. Offshore problem. Too many red flags. |
I got that exact same email today, regarding a horn I have listed.
Brad361
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joefab
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This guy is actually kind of unbelievable!
He actually keeps sending me email trying to recruit me into some kind of "internet marketing"!
Such an idiot... |
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| joefab wrote: | This guy is actually kind of unbelievable!
He actually keeps sending me email trying to recruit me into some kind of "internet marketing"!
Such an idiot... |
Those idiots succeed because they eventually find bigger idiots...
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I almost wish I had something for sale so I could get in on the party. Almost. 
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MikeyMike
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Graham |
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| Bill wrote: | Here was his email regarding my Callet Soloist:
Their message: Hello Seller,
i am interested in your ITEM on www.trumpetherald.com place for sale and will love to know the final price and I'm willing to purchase it for my DAD as a gift due to been offhore at the moment and i can only pay via paypal payment.As for the price am pleased with it and the condition, so i want you to consider the item sold.I will like to ask you some questions:
1} Are you the original owner of the item?
2} Do i need to repair ?
3} Will you accept paypal a payment
4} Will allow local pickup at your location ?
5} Do you have more pics ?
6} What is the weight ?
7) Are you the Real Owner?
Get back to me with the actual price you are willing to sell. Please do get back to me with your paypal email account so that i could make the payment.
Regards.
Name: Dean Graham
dean123456_graham@yahoo.com
It just sounded so weird. Purchasing for his DAD. Offshore problem. Too many red flags. |
Happy with the price and condition. that's why he's asking a bunch of questions AFTER he says "consider it sold."
Local pickup at YOUR location?? (As opposed to Donald Trump's office???)
Are you the REAL owner? (Sure hope you're not a FAKE owner. WAY too many of those this week)
And how, exactly is one "due to been offhore"??? You can talk with an accent I guess you can TYPE with an accent, too.
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Brad361
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: Re: RE: Graham |
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| MikeyMike wrote: | | Bill wrote: | Here was his email regarding my Callet Soloist:
Their message: Hello Seller,
i am interested in your ITEM on www.trumpetherald.com place for sale and will love to know the final price and I'm willing to purchase it for my DAD as a gift due to been offhore at the moment and i can only pay via paypal payment.As for the price am pleased with it and the condition, so i want you to consider the item sold.I will like to ask you some questions:
1} Are you the original owner of the item?
2} Do i need to repair ?
3} Will you accept paypal a payment
4} Will allow local pickup at your location ?
5} Do you have more pics ?
6} What is the weight ?
7) Are you the Real Owner?
Get back to me with the actual price you are willing to sell. Please do get back to me with your paypal email account so that i could make the payment.
Regards.
Name: Dean Graham
dean123456_graham@yahoo.com
It just sounded so weird. Purchasing for his DAD. Offshore problem. Too many red flags. |
Happy with the price and condition. that's why he's asking a bunch of questions AFTER he says "consider it sold."
Local pickup at YOUR location?? (As opposed to Donald Trump's office???)
Are you the REAL owner? (Sure hope you're not a FAKE owner. WAY too many of those this week)
And how, exactly is one "due to been offhore"??? You can talk with an accent I guess you can TYPE with an accent, too. |
All true. I guess the good thing is that these kind of scam-attempts are pretty easy to spot, hopefully the as***** will give up, go away and go get a real job. Or at least just go away.
Brad361
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