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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:42 am    Post subject: Custom 4-valve flugelhorn Reply with quote

I am wondering if anyone knows a custom shop that is willing to make a 4-valve flugelhorn. I am very interested in having one so I am able to play cello concertos (that's not the only thing I would use it for, of course). Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not buy a production 4-valve horn? I believe there are a few manufacturers that offer one...Getzen, Courtois...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be getting in the first Adams 4-valve flugelhorns in shortly.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention I do have a Custom Adams 4-valve trumpet in stock.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Custom 4-valve flugelhorn Reply with quote

uncg14trmpt wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows a custom shop that is willing to make a 4-valve flugelhorn


That Courtois that Nakariakov plays on is amazing (at least in his hands).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Trent Reply with quote

Hi Trent. Would you happen to have any pictures of this 4 valve flugel? As well do you know the specs on it? Bore size, bell, ect. I might be in the market for a 4 valve.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Custom 4-valve flugelhorn Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
uncg14trmpt wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows a custom shop that is willing to make a 4-valve flugelhorn


That Courtois that Nakariakov plays on is amazing (at least in his hands).

Just watched the movie about Nakariakov called "No More Wunderkind". You can find the entire hour long film on YouTube. In it he plays and discusses his 4-valve flugel a lot...calls it a wind-cello. And if you haven't heard his "No Limits" CD, you don't know what you're missing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Custom 4-valve flugelhorn Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
uncg14trmpt wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows a custom shop that is willing to make a 4-valve flugelhorn


That Courtois that Nakariakov plays on is amazing (at least in his hands).


I saw Nakariakov play the horn here in San Francisco some years ago. Freakin' amazing!

I'm a big fan of Courtois flugels, but one caution: I bought mine in 1986, and the fourth slide assembly is not long enough to pull out to get the low F to Db in tune, they're really sharp. The one that the Russian had is a newer model with a 4th slide that resembles a french horn 1st "F" slide. It works a lot better and is longer.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's link to an ebay auction on a four-valve Courtois that has the longer fourth slide:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antoine-Courtois-Paris-AC156R-Professionel-Series-Bb-Flugelhorn-Lacquer-/190642959232?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D230750219438%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6709520869611466943

But for $2g, you get large swaths of unlacquered brass, not attractive.
Is it worth it? It's such a specialized market, how many people have four-valve flugelhorns?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yourbrass wrote:
Here's link to an ebay auction on a four-valve Courtois that has the longer fourth slide:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antoine-Courtois-Paris-AC156R-Professionel-Series-Bb-Flugelhorn-Lacquer-/190642959232?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D230750219438%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6709520869611466943

But for $2g, you get large swaths of unlacquered brass, not attractive.
Is it worth it? It's such a specialized market, how many people have four-valve flugelhorns?


You could get a new one from musiciansfriend.com for $2176 with a base price of $2560 and a 15% discount.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about this one made in America?

http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_search=1526.0000&pass_instrument=Flugelhorn
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Courtois lacquer on my friends flugel flaked off in big lumps....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lacquer on my Chambord II cornet isn't so hot either.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FrankM wrote:
The lacquer on my Chambord II cornet isn't so hot either.


Hers started coming off within a few weeks of buying it. IT belonged to a band and had been bought at a knock down price so she wasn't too bothered, but it put me off their instruments. Even Bach lacquer is better these days.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Courtois silverplate better than Courtois lacquer? Or, maybe Courtois sells a raw brass horn "protected for shipping with lacquer"?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: larger bell Reply with quote

Trent,

I thought Sergei's horn had a custom larger (trombone, I think) bell on it. Does Adams offer a larger bell on their 4 valve?

I should know better than to ask these questions, as they inevitably lead me down the path to wallet drainage
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.courtois-paris.com/en/index.php#Instruments/trompettes/4
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't bother with a larger Courtois bell, it's hard enough to find a case for a 6.6" bell. I have a Courtois 155R flugel and Chambord ii and the lacquer still looks like new. both horns are over 5 years old with no lacquer loss. Must be something to do with the vintage.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can make you one, I have the parts but it would be more expensive than the commercial ones already available.
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