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crzytptman
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| PH wrote: | | Not every horn needs after market tweaking. Every horn needs a mouthpiece. |
Every fine trumpet deserves to be built to design spec. Arturo Sandoval played my trumpet quite well without a mouthpiece.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| crzytptman wrote: | Walter
I'm not Bach bashing. They make fine instruments. The reality of the manufacturing process is that all mass produced trumpets need valves aligned, and most need solder and other debris cleaned out - no matter who makes them. This is not tweaking, this is restoring the horn to design specs. Most of the "good Bach, bad Bach" history is due to the degree these horns were out of spec. The vast majority of players are not discerning in this regard, or don't understand and therefore spend the hours days years necessary to learn the quirks of an otherwise great sounding instrument.
Dr. Karl Seivers has disclosed on the Bach forum that he sends all his horns to Reeves for alignment, and he has sleeves on his mouthpieces. He recommends everyone do the same.
If the manufacturer does not use non compressible material to control the valve travel, then after a few months of intense playing the valve travel parameter will be changed. |
Every bit as important as PVA and bore optimization are daily cleaning of the mouthpiece and (at the very least) thorough weekly cleaning of the instrument. How many of us do that? Without those standard maintenance practices no one ever plays an instrument with exactly the manufacturer"S bore specs.
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crzytptman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Pat - you are absolutely correct. And, yes - I do that.
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giakara
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Principles for Magically Matching Horns and Pieces |
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| Cadenza wrote: | A number of posts here on TH give suggestions for what mouthpiece to use with a particular horn. This has always mystified me -- wish I could do it!
I usually just go to the shoebox, pick out a few pieces and see which works best. Not very scientific . . .
So, going beyond the rudimentary "shallower=brighter" principle, are there rules of thumb that help you predict a good match between horn and piece -- say, based on the blow of the horn, the bore size (I hesitate to even mention this since it's always a hot topic), heavyweight or lightweight construction ---- or any other features? For example, how would you wisely suggest a piece for a Benge 3x, versus a Yammie Xeno, versus a Strad 37, or . . . any other example horns that come to mind -- and what would go into your thinking?? |
I use exlusive Reeves pieces and all my mpcs have the same spec. accept cup depth , i use C,S,ES and sEs cups and those pieces shuits perfect my needs , when i have to change horn i only change if needed the sleeve just to control the gap , i dont do nothing special i just test the new horn with all the sleeve sizes in front of a tuner and i decide witch one gives me the best feel and tuning and thats it , the same pieces no matter what horn i have to play .
I have friends (very good profecional players) they change the piece from horn to horn or use different brands for different styles , a good friend and TH poster jazz50's use with his OIRAM II a Bach 5C for small jazz combo a Reeves Zinger for commercial and a Marcinkiewitz B.Findley for leed , i cant even imagine me to do that but nobody is the same , so i belive you have to find what is working better for you.
P.S: I have to conffense that i cheeting from time to time with my Purviance pieces  .
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Cadenza
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Principles for Magically Matching Horns and Pieces |
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| giakara wrote: | P.S: I have to conffense that i cheeting from time to time with my Purviance pieces .
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Awesome -- this brings me a big smile!! |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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In order:
1. Try your usual mouthpiece. If that doesn't work well, go to #2.
2. Try the mouthpiece that goes with the horn. If it's missing, go to #3.
3. Try some of your other backup mouthpieces (you know, the ones in the big box in the closet). If none of them work, go on eBay and find a mouthpiece like the one that originally came with the horn (see #2). If this doesn't work, go to #4.
4. Go on TH and ask for opinions. Argue with the opinions, but buy a Sureblow G47a from one of the members. Repeat until you're either discouraged or out of mad money. If none of them work, go to #5.
5. Check the horn for missing water key corks, valves in the wrong holes, red rot holes in the tubing, etc. You should have done this before #1, though. If nothing's wrong with the horn, go to #6.
6. Get rid of the horn - it's not for you.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:26 am Post subject: Cool Plan |
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Cool plan, Dale!
Jim
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