Need a replacement for a Callet 17s magnum

darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

So if you have been following the saga on this other thread -

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112930&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

It appears I am forced to look for a replacement mpc since after having the shank turned down on the 17s to close the GAP, I can no longer get the same response/feel I used to.
So, to the experts out there, hopefully someone is familiar with the Callet 17s magnum and can suggest a jumping off point into the world of MPCs.
I need to find something that feels the same and responds the same way, and quickly !!!
Greg Black was recommended.
What else we got?

tptguy · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:30 am Post subject:

Call Jerry Callet. He'll probably suggest his new 1*. I'm been using it for about 2 months and it's the best mouthpiece I've ever tried, by a mile.
Jerry's studio: (718) 477-5803

- Kyle

darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

Thanks, I've already done emails with him last week.
He did suggest his new SC line.
I understand Kanstul is making them for him.
Do they come in regular and heavy (magnum) weight?
I did hear that they are designed and work best if you use the Callet SC tongue method, which I don't !!

tom turner · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:23 am Post subject:

Hi,

Another alternative is to get your current mouthpiece's shank cut for Reeves sleeves, then you can dial in the correct blow, and fine tune it like you were trying to do the first time, with the correct Reeves sleeve!

Your prized mouthpiece is not ruined yet!
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VetPsychWars · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:01 am Post subject:

darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

Reeves Sleeves has been suggested.
But a question: the fact that the shank has been turned down means that we lost some mass, which affects the balance, performance, and response, that was originally built into the MPC, correct? Some the current things I'm feeling include: strange vibration in the teeth that wasn't there before, not slotting some high notes properly, airy in the upper range, not holding pitch, falling off notes. Are these attributed to lost mass? Will the RS compensate for the lost mass? Someone suggested today that I have a new MPC made exactly like this one. The guy that made it is the guy that turned down the shank. I believe he can make a new one if I ask him.

crzytptman · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject:

darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

Thanks.
I'm just perplexed.
I didn't have these issues 2 months ago before I first had the MPC turned down, but since then I have had nothing but problems.
So you can understand why it's been frustrating.

nieuwguyski · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject:

You will never find another mouthpiece *exactly* like your old one. Even if you did, at this point you're obsessed with finding differences, and you'd convince yourself it was somehow not as good.

If you buy a completely new mouthpiece you'll have even more variables to obsess over -- the rim won't be exactly the same, same for the cup, the throat, the backbore, the blank, and anything else you can imagine.

Having the mouthpiece cut for sleeves is simply the best option now. If you go through with it, I'm sure you'll convince yourself it isn't as good... but it will simply be different. You have to accept that there's no going back now.
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jf_trumpet · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:07 am Post subject:

Reeves sleeves is probably the cheapest option. But since the top part of the mouthpiece hasn't changed, how about having it converted for screw-on backbores Warburton-style? I'm not sure what size the throat is, but it might give you more options and perhaps someone could try to copy the original backbore rather than the whole thing? Is it possible to get another piece with the same backbore and convert that as well? Would Callet still use the same backbores, or have some pieces left with the same backbore?

darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

So what effect does turning down the shank have as far as mass and physics go? If a Reeves Sleeves is used to compensate and make the GAP exactly the same as it was before we started, will it truly behavior as before? OR, is it the fact that since the shank lost some mass, that will forever now cause a different feel/response?

VetPsychWars · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:23 am Post subject:

Any REAL difference is so slight you'd adjust to it in a week Obsessing over it will just drive you nuts.

Tom
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darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

VetPsychWars · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject:

It's hard to know because it won't be 100% the same. There's a fair chance that you went chasing phantom differences and if you just relax, it won't be so bad. Depending on just how modified your shank was, the idea of others to thread it for interchangeable backbores might be the better option.

What you describe could be just as simple as the shank currently isn't true and it's wobbling in your receiver a bit.

Tom
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Scott42486 · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject:

Get it sleeved, dial the gap in, and play it. If you don't like it, get a new mouthpiece. The mass you lost from having it turned down is fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. No two mouthpieces are EXACTLY the same, it's just not going to happen. Your time would be better spent practicing and working on your playing.
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darth · Regular Member Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 57

laurent · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:37 am Post subject:

davidkoch · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:36 am Post subject:

Everything you describe sounds like too small of a gap. Get the thing cut.
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