Bend in pipe

Giardinelli512 · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: Bend in pipe

I've had a Holton T-602 for about 13 years. About 2 years into playing it, i dropped it, causing the pipe that leads to the bell to bend about 10 degrees toward the mouthpiece. It played fine still and I have seen no adverse effects. Now my little brother is using the horn in eighth grade band and his teacher is freaking out about it saying he needs to get it checked out and that he's "worried about it." Those Holtons are built like tanks and I think it is still in great playing shape. What do you guys think?
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Dale Proctor · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bend in pipe

VetPsychWars · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:51 pm Post subject:

Dale's not wrong but a decent tech can bend it back for not a whole lot of money.

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Brad361 · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Bend in pipe

cheiden · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject:

The proof is in the playing, everything else is cosmetics. Wouldn't hurt to get a quote though I assume it'd require removing, straightening then reattaching the bell. I'd be discouraged by the damage but that's just me.
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Glissando · Veteran Member Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 224

While it's likely inconsequential in terms of playing, the fact that the teacher is freaking out and worried pretty much forces your hand.

It probably won't be expensive to get it repaired, and doing so will placate the teacher. If you don't placate the teacher, your little bro may always be seen as "that kid with the problem horn."

I would take it to a tech, get an esimate, and (presuming the estimate is ok) just get it fixed. Your little bro will be eternally grateful . . . or if not, you can tell him about it for years and years . . .

jf_trumpet · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:35 am Post subject:

My C trumpet bell had a bend in it from shipping I think. Slightly curving away along the straight part of the bell towards the end of the flare. It still played well but was very resistant, and I was going to sell it once I go it straightened out. But once it was the resistance disappeared and plays really well. I haven't sold it!

laurent · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:59 am Post subject:

If the teacher has better eyes than ears, maybe instead of trumpet he should be teaching painting!

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Brad361 · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:45 am Post subject:

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5075

I am unsure if the word I want to use is a swear word or considered vulgar so I will only use part of it......(I do not mean it as a vulgar word either but it is in common use and can be said on TV and Radio) "blank-retentiveness" is a trait found in large amounts in the trumpet playing community. We tend to fuss over things that seldom matter to a degree that border's on a disease state termed "OCD". It stops being a case of "meticulous" and "detail" oriented when it get to the extreme.

10 degree's is not that much deviation the real concern is if the deviation is cause be a gradual bending normally at the spot where the brace meets the bell or if it is a sudden crease in that area.

I had a Jupiter that had such a bend and it never cause any issues at all. On top of that my Brass tech told me it would be a waste of money to fix it because it was just a "Student Jupiter". I took it in for a badly stuck slide and he ended up burnishing the bell wringkle out for free for me. So not the type that try's stick it to anyone.

So not just my opinion but my brass tech.'s too! A kid playing a student model is not going to notice the difference that a mild slow bend is going to make it inly if it is sudden and disrupts the bore in a major way that it becomes an issue at that level.

You said you played it and had no issues with it so why would a less advanced kid brother have issues with it?

I use a Holton T602 as one of my test mules and if it has any issues it is in the leadpipe design the rest of the horn is a very sound design and they are well built horns. All the basics are covered and excuted right. It was the first horn I annealed the bell on because it did not use a bell wire in the rim so no lead to worry about.

So I would not worry about it unless it causes intonation issues and according to you it does not.
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Retlaw · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject:

"I annealed the bell on because it did not use a bell wire in the rim so no lead to worry about."

Kirk you are funny..... one horn is a beautiful woman who needs to be handled well...not beaten with a club. Then the other is beaten with a ball pean and called a " mule".....

Oh yeah here is one for your rifle analogies... I guess a ten degree bend in a rifle barrel wouldn't matter....

As for the bend.....get it fixed. Kids are really sensitive in their early teens. Of course it may make no difference to the sound but kids get worried when everyone starts to make fun of their beat up old horn.

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Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3122

Rough estimate, without seeing it:
It'd probably cost $50-75 tops including de-/re-soldering the bell.
Please understand that serious dentwork (which from what I understand might not be needed here) can chip off the lacquer or make it look dull and... a torch may burn it.
Your instrument ís lacquered, isn't it?

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kanemania · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:26 am Post subject:

Kirk, you're always so generous with your advice. Perhaps it's time someone returned the favor:

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp

http://www.ehow.com/how_4912937_install-microsoft-word-spell-checker.html

You're welcome!

Brad361 · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:50 am Post subject:

yourbrass · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:28 am Post subject:

Presuming the solder joints are in good condition, it should bend back easily w/no great difficulty. Might even be a minimum charge repair.

If the brace and/or mouthpiece receiver breaks, it's a bit more work.
I'm surprised the teacher even noticed, many are pretty oblivious to this sort of thing.

Giardinelli512 · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject:

Giardinelli512 · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject:

Here's a picture of the damage.

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yourbrass · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject:

etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 3963

Patentable as "new compact wrap"?

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