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Maarten van Weverwijk Heavyweight Member
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trmptz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Retlaw wrote: | Amazing how we hear things differently .....
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So So true!! I for one think the Harrelson is the winner on all clips. It just has a much richer, fuller and wider sound than the other. The other horn to me sounds thinner. Intonation isn't as good on the second horn. |
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: |
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guys i would like to say that this has been one of the best and most fascinating, and productive, discussions in a long while.
many here have lots of horns. i would love to hear more a/b comparisons. the schilke 5 as opposed to the schilke 6. the 1 against the 5. i wouldn't be bored until we ran through all the schilkes and yamahas and kanstuls and then we would have to consider some of the old manufacture.
anyone gets in the mood, by all means.. chuck |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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From the recording it's really hard to tell. The best way to tell would be hearing it live in a large room or auditorium, as well as in an ensemble. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
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fredo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Despite i'm fan of Carol Brass horns i prefer the Harrelson sound but after putting the tuner in front of the speaker the intonation on the bravura is not as good as the Carols's one except the low G too flat on the Carol.
I think that because your are not sufficiently acclimated to the Carol.
I had the same problem with the low register of my Calicchio when i received it and now after 3 weeks its far better.
For me the Carol CTR-5000L-YLS-Bb-L is the easier to play in tune of all the horn i had or have.
As previously said i think this post is one of the more interesting post since months, thanks afp. _________________ Frederic FELTZ
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INTJ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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This thread has been great!!! It has really helped me sort out some things. My range and endurance improvement happened when I discovered the right visualization for a high arched tongue. That and I have been getting in a couple hours practice six days a week since January.
It will be interesting to see how it affects my playing with the more open leadpipe on the Bravura. I'll make videos that show old and new leadpipe side by side. _________________ Harrels VPS Summit
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INTJ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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BTW. I think there is value to making these recordings on a decent mic The Zoom H2 sells for around $170 on Amazon. It allows us to hear things that we wouldn't pick up with a typical video camera. On a couple of my High Gs, you can hear a very slight fuzziness develop in the tone as the note is sustained. I don't think that would be heard on a typical video cam recording, and I don't think it would be heard live while leading a section.
I am sure there are good video cams and there are better mica than the Zoom H2. However, recording oneself with a good mic and then listening to is quite revealing, as we have all seen here.
I do need to record some more technical stuff on the two horn, like that pure evil Clarke's version of Carnival of Venice. I can at least get the first two parts. The second and third, not so much........ _________________ Harrels VPS Summit
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Hi: i have just bought a Carol 6280 in beautiful satin lacquer. I'm not an experienced player like you and the model is different, but i've had the same impressions on the horn. Very clean, clear and accurate on the high register, miss something in the lower notes but all in all an excellent horn for the price. My main horn is a Kanstul 1001 and the Carol has definitely less core to the sound, is less "vibrant", but is also easier to play on the high register and maybe the slotting, too, is easier.
I've made a short clip with my Zoom 4hd to test the sound of the Carol, but no A\B comparison.
This is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClMExVrdmc _________________ ------------------------
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laurent Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Locutus2k wrote: | Hi: i have just bought a Carol 6280 in beautiful satin lacquer. (...)
I've made a short clip with my Zoom 4hd to test the sound of the Carol, but no A\B comparison.
This is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClMExVrdmc |
Very nice sound and playing! _________________
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Buescher T-120, HT3.
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Thanks _________________ ------------------------
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Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Locutus,
Nice sound - thanks for posting! |
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INTJ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Locutus2k wrote: | Hi: i have just bought a Carol 6280 in beautiful satin lacquer. I'm not an experienced player like you and the model is different, but i've had the same impressions on the horn. Very clean, clear and accurate on the high register, miss something in the lower notes but all in all an excellent horn for the price. My main horn is a Kanstul 1001 and the Carol has definitely less core to the sound, is less "vibrant", but is also easier to play on the high register and maybe the slotting, too, is easier.
I've made a short clip with my Zoom 4hd to test the sound of the Carol, but no A\B comparison.
This is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClMExVrdmc |
Sounds nice! It would be cool to hear your other horns side by side........... _________________ Harrels VPS Summit
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INTJ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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At jazz band last night, I was again complemented on my sound on the Carol. It will be interesting to see if the more open pipe on the Bravura improves my sound in a similar way. _________________ Harrels VPS Summit
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