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rooster7 Veteran Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Posts: 272 Location: Oroville,California
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: Tarnishield to clean mouthpieces? |
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Would there be a problem in using Tarnishield to clean the outside of a mouthpiece? My concern is whether after using Tarnishield, there would be a film left that might cause illness. Any thoughts on how to clean the outside of a mouthpiece would be appreciated.
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 1027 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I do it all the time. However, I have no idea if it has affected my health. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'd advise agianst using anything that leaves any kind of protective film. And even with regular silver cleaners it's aways best to rinse very thoroughly. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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ML52K Regular Member
Joined: 06 Dec 2003 Posts: 70 Location: Adirondacks of NY
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| After using Tarnishied, I would give the mouthpiece a good bath with dish detergent, and brush the bore with a mouthpiece brush. I would think it to be safe after that. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose that begs the question...why use a product that boasts a persistent "shield" if you fully expect to scrub any trace of it off. I advise using another product that just removes tarnish. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member

Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 1676 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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...Because there's no chance that a lot of the Tarnishield sold is used on sterling flatware, which gets inserted in peoples' mouths. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that the "shield" is something that bonds with the silver molecules, displacing the oxygen. It's a molecular thing. Reminds me of Mose Allison. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nieuwguyski wrote: | | ...Because there's no chance that a lot of the Tarnishield sold is used on sterling flatware, which gets inserted in peoples' mouths. |
Got a point there. DOH! _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cheiden wrote: | | nieuwguyski wrote: | | ...Because there's no chance that a lot of the Tarnishield sold is used on sterling flatware, which gets inserted in peoples' mouths. |
Got a point there. DOH! |
I may have Doh!'d too soon!
Extracted from the 3M website:
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET 3M™ Tarni-shield Silver Polish
3.2 POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS
Eye Contact:
Mild Eye Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include redness, pain, and tearing.
Skin Contact:
Mild Skin Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include localized redness, swelling, and itching.
Allergic Skin Reaction (non-photo induced): Signs/symptoms may include redness, swelling, blistering, and itching.
Inhalation:
Respiratory Tract Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include cough, sneezing, nasal discharge, headache, hoarseness, and nose and
throat pain.
Ingestion:
Gastrointestinal Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include abdominal pain, stomach upset, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.
Carcinogenicity:
This product contains a form of crystalline silica. Occupational exposure to inhaled crystalline silica has been associated with
silicosis and lung cancer. No exposure to crystalline silica is expected during the normal handling and use of this product. Therefore,
the health effects associated with crystalline silica are not expected during normal use of this product.
Ingredient C.A.S. No. Class Description Regulation
Quartz silica 14808-60-7 Grp. 1: Carcinogenic to
humans
International Agency for Research on Cancer
END QUOTE
I post this mostly in jest because these MSDS always seem to be alarming even for relatively benign products. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't drink Tarnishield from the bottle, but after I've polished my mouthpiece with it, rinsed the mouthpiece off in the sink, and then done a final polish with a clean cloth, I'm not going to worry about the protective layer.
It's like when people obsess over how to "sterilize" a mouthpiece, but they'll eat with a fork that was washed with soap and water. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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hose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Tampa Bay area
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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I've read here in previous threads that Tarnishield and Wrights are two of the least abrasive polishers. _________________ Dave Wisner
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 5667 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Best and safest way to remove tarnish from mouthpieces is to do it chemically. This way, none of the silver is removed. You are simply reversing the chemical process that created the tarnish (and returning the silver in the silver oxide back into the pure silver plating).
Here's how:
Get a container such as a large (2 quart) glass bowl (one capable of holding hot water). Place aluminum foil in the bottom of the bowl. Fill the bowl with a solution of a box of baking soda mixed with hot water and place the mouthpiece in the solution. Within minutes, your mouthpiece will be bright silver again. (and the aluminum will be oxidized and black).
The best parts of this are, you are not wearing any silver off via rubbing or solutions that dissolve the silver oxide - you are simply reversing the tarnishing process, and, there are no unhealthy, toxic chemicals involved. Just wash the mouthpiece afterward and you're good to go.
This can be done with a trumpet as well, if your container is big enough.
Best wishes,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
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monkeymark Regular Member
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Now i've got to give that a go! |
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tvknight415 Regular Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| +1 for the hot water/baking soda. It may leave a faint sulpher odor in the air when you do it, so if that would bother you do it outside or with windows open. |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ed Kennedy wrote: | | Reminds me of Mose Allison. |
I'm not talking... and that's what I've got to say!
(I always liked Michael Steele's versions of that song.)
Tom _________________
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| hose wrote: | | I've read here in previous threads that Tarnishield and Wrights are two of the least abrasive polishers. |
thanks for the encouragement dave. i've tried a bunch of silver cleaners including some pricey stuff and went back to wrights. hard to find too you just have to blunder into any supermarket. some of the stuff was decidedly nastier than wrights too. ..chuck |
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