Janacek Sinfoietta

tubbs831 · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: Janacek Sinfoietta

I was wondering if any of the pros could chime in here. How is this piece typically done part assignment wise?

I believe there are 9 trumpets for the outer movements in addition to 3 trumpets in the orchestra. What part does the principal player usually get? 1st in the 9 trumpet group, or 1st in the orchestra. Or is it some combination of both, playing first on the outer movements as well as in the interior orchestra parts?

Also is there a difference between when the work is done as a live performance vs. recording?

Thanks

Ray Riccomini · Regular Member Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 44 Location: NYC

I was lucky enough to play on the NY Phil Recording with Masur. Phil played 1st on the 9 trumpet stuff, and Larry Knopp played first on the 3 trumpet stuff. I played 3rd in the 3 trumpet section. The recording was taken mainly from live shows, so nothing changed.

Ray Riccomini

maccluer · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject:

Hey Ray, what's going on, long time no see!
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redtrpt · New Member Joined: 05 Apr 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Chicago

The principal usually plays the 1st part which is the onstage part. I don't believe there are any variations from this when recording it.

Blue Trane · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject:

Hi Ray, I was there for Gotterdamerung a couple of weeks back. You all sounded awesome! Best event I've been to in many, many years. Congrats. Do you always play on rotary trpts for Wagner?

Ray Riccomini · Regular Member Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 44 Location: NYC

Thanks! I believe they used to play it on pistons, but I have only done it on rotaries since I got there. The old timers, Jim and Pete, would know the timeline better, unless those kind of details are already lost at their advanced ages.

Peter Bond · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:51 am Post subject:

poochie · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:14 am Post subject:

Ray, we did it when you came in the orchestra so you would finally buy a rotary trumpet .

Blue Trane · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:44 am Post subject:

Thank you for posting here. There's a lot of questionable stuff posted in an open forum like TH but when you guys speak I listen. It's a little like the golf expression - If you want to play like an amateur take tips from an amateur. If you want to play like a pro take tips from a pro.

I started my movie theater ring last night. Bravo! I thought they might show the orchestra or at least Maestro Levine occasionally but no. I'm looking forward to the rest of the ring and attending live performances next season.

kghtpt · Regular Member Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 47

When I played this with the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, George Vosburgh played 1st in the group of nine and Charles Lirette played 1st in the orchestra. I played it years ago with the Chicago Symphony, but I don't remember how they did the parts. There really is no right, wrong or standard way to do it.
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trumpetdon · Veteran Member Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 322

As has been stated, lots of ways to do this.

On the Chicago Symphony / Ozawa recording from the 1970's, Mr. Herseth played first in the orchestra and Mr. Geyer played first in the group of nine. I heard this from Mr. Geyer.

FTee · Veteran Member Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 438

tubbs831 · Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject:

Cool,

Thanks for all the input! I had always assumed that the principal would always be playing with the G-9 trumpets, but I guess I was dead wrong.

Adam

snowman · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:44 am Post subject:

Orchestre symphonique de Montréal and Charles Dutoit is a very good recording of the Janacek. Charles Daval plays principal on it...I play the 12th!!

We did it again last week, 3 concerts with Nagano, Paul Merkelo sounded fantastic as principal trumpet.

tubbs831 · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:49 am Post subject:

Snowman,

I've got that recording and love it! Did Charles play first in the 9 trumpet stuff or in the orchestra?

Adam

snowman · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:24 am Post subject:

Adam, I don't remember, sorry...

poochie · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:02 pm Post subject:

Here is the roster when the CSO did this last. Boulez was conducting and I believe it is available for download.

Christopher Martin(CSO)
Mark Ridenour(CSO)
John Hagstrom(CSO)

Steve Hendrickson(NSO)
Tom Cupples (NSO)
Rick Henley(NYC freelancer)

Mark Hughes(Houston Symphony)
Jim Ross(Met Opera)
Neal Bernsten(Pittsburgh Symphony)

Tage Larsen(CSO)
Michael Martin(BSO)
Colin Oldberg

What a wonderful bunch of guys . It was the fullfilment of a life long dream to play on that stage with that orchestra. Mr. Martin also arranged for us to spend the afternoon with Mr. Herseth.

Derek Reaban · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject:

What a line-up. I can only imagine how great that must have been. Thanks for posting Jim!
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tubbs831 · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject:

Wow, Would love to hear that. I'm not sure its available, at least not yet. If I'm wrong please correct me.

eyanacek · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject:

Janacek! :)