Pro vs. Student model...Can anyone explain why....

musicmork · Last edited by musicmork on Thu May 24, 2012 9:44 am; edited 1 time in total

Hi everyone...I haven't posted in a while but I have a question to throw out there to anyone.

Okay...When I gig, I am mostly playing keyboards and singing , but I also play trumpet and flugel horn on about 5-6 tunes. Can anyone explain why in the world my Getzen 300 blows easier and doesn't tire my chops as much as my vintage Getzen Eterna Severinsen ? Don't get me wrong, they both play very nice, but the student horn (300) seems to be a better experience for me. I'm puzzled. Is there anything I can do to my Severinsen to make it easier on me ? And I use a Bach 3C trumpet mp which I have always liked.

Also, When I play my flugel horn or my cornet they are very comfortable for me to play.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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TRUMPET: Getzen, Benge, Bach, or Olds
CORNET: Holton Galaxy (Awesome horn)
FLUGELHORN : Getzen Capri (Love it)
KEYS: Kurzweil PC88 ,Yamaha S-30
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musicmork · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:42 am Post subject:

Oh yeah... a quick follow up.....When I play my flugel horn or my cornet they are very comfortable for me to play.
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MARK/aka"musicmork"/"The Creator"
TRUMPET: Getzen, Benge, Bach, or Olds
CORNET: Holton Galaxy (Awesome horn)
FLUGELHORN : Getzen Capri (Love it)
KEYS: Kurzweil PC88 ,Yamaha S-30
"DAD I MISS YOU, YOU WERE MY BIGGEST FAN"

Yamahaguy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3312

Hey Creator...it's been a while!

Before I answer, let me ask you this...do they sound the same?

Thanks,
-Dennis

musicmork · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:46 am Post subject:

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MARK/aka"musicmork"/"The Creator"
TRUMPET: Getzen, Benge, Bach, or Olds
CORNET: Holton Galaxy (Awesome horn)
FLUGELHORN : Getzen Capri (Love it)
KEYS: Kurzweil PC88 ,Yamaha S-30
"DAD I MISS YOU, YOU WERE MY BIGGEST FAN"

musicmork · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:49 am Post subject:

shofarguy · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:55 am Post subject:

Student horns are designed to play easily in the core of a beginning player's range and to produce acceptable tone easily.

Pro horns are designed to give a developed player the scope of capabilities that are required for that player.

Sometimes (Kanstul 700), a student or intermediate horn plays as well as a pro horn, or better.

Sometimes, a pro horn plays as easily as a student horn.

Student horns are either built to a price point, or with durability in mind. Often, these choices hinder the capabilities of the design. Not so much for the casual or beginning player, but enough that a developed player would want something better, if available.

Brian
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Yamahaguy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3312

musicmork · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:13 am Post subject:

HI Brian, since I play keys the majority of the time... maybe my chops are not as developed as a typical gigging trumpeter, and therefore the student horn feels better to me ?

Furthermore, I rarely have to blow anything over the staff at the gigs I play.

I remember once getting this very nice Bach Strad from the mid 70's and I took it to a gig. And I alternated it with my Getzen 300 (and not all getzen 300's play alike )....and I had to work the Strad a bit harder that day.

I can still reach upper register notes on almost any trumpet fairly well, but double high C's are gonna sound a bit pinched...if I can even play one anymore. I think my Severinsen articulates a little better in the upper register.

I've been on too many trumpet safaris. I remember selling a Benge 3x+ that I was really starting to love.

I guess the question I am trying to answer with your input is...Should I take my Severinsen to gigs or keep using the 300 ?
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MARK/aka"musicmork"/"The Creator"
TRUMPET: Getzen, Benge, Bach, or Olds
CORNET: Holton Galaxy (Awesome horn)
FLUGELHORN : Getzen Capri (Love it)
KEYS: Kurzweil PC88 ,Yamaha S-30
"DAD I MISS YOU, YOU WERE MY BIGGEST FAN"

musicmork · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:16 am Post subject:

crzytptman · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:41 am Post subject:

Gap.
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shmo_joe · Veteran Member Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 184

try some other pro horns
perhaps you have Eterna made with not that good response, or something else is wrong with it
Alex

Manuel de los Campos

musicalmason1 · Veteran Member Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 431

crzytptman · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject:

Valve alignment. Solder blobs. Gap.
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lmf · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject:

I've been under the impression that some horns have resistance and some players like that characteristic. Other horns have little resistance and some players like those better. If you like playing horns with less resistance and they feel right to you, then by all means play the horns that make you happy.

Some players own horns that have resistance. and those that have less resistance. They have learned learned to adjust accordingly and play them all. Even then, they may have a favorite horn in their arsenal that they play more than the others.

You should play the horn you like the best and if it is the one with least resistance, then by all means go right on ahead and play it. You may choose to play all your horns by learning to adjust to the difference in resistance as others have done.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

Mdbri · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:06 am Post subject:

connicalman · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:49 am Post subject:

connicalman · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:57 am Post subject:

BTW, to the original point of one vs another quality of instrument, the CONN 77B "Connquest", their 'step up' model*, sounds better to outside observers when I'm playing than my mid 70's Bach 180. Go figure.

The lady, she says it sounds 'funner', and can tell from a distance which is which.

The teacher, well, yes, he can tell the diff. Yet he is quite surprised at the responsiveness and quality of tone with that old Conn.

* I'd highly recommend a mid-60's model. Their early effort in the late 50's was just a spruced-up rebranded low-quality intro model. IMO.
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shofarguy · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:04 am Post subject:

shofarguy · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: