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crzytptman Heavyweight Member
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I think what's amazing is if you go to the website, it has the exact same videos. _________________ Crazy Nate aka Jive-a-licious
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| crzytptman wrote: | | I think what's amazing is if you go to the website, it has the exact same videos. |
So? I'm sure there is more. Nothing to say about what was posted? Agree, disagree, comments? He follows along from beginning to end and shows you how it works at the end. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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jbptucson Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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All I know is if I play this way, every attack falls flat after initial attack, and I can play about to a G on top of the staff. Also, if I try to play loud or high, my lips just blow apart.
There is a lot more to know if you want to actually play this way. _________________ Jeff Parfenchuck |
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| jbptucson wrote: | All I know is if I play this way, every attack falls flat after initial attack, and I can play about to a G on top of the staff. Also, if I try to play loud or high, my lips just blow apart.
There is a lot more to know if you want to actually play this way. |
Play what way exactly? _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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erictheperic Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I've actually purchased the ebook and am going through it right now. I don't have the blowing flat problem previously mentioned. In fact, the sound I get is pretty big and flexibility is quite good between the different registers. As a come back player with no playing commitments I'm trying a lot of different ideas right now so this is my latest experiment. Overall I think th ebook is a very good value. It costs less than a standard paper trumpet method book. He has mp3 examples of each exercise which is very helpful since it allows you to hear what he expects th exercise to sound like. My only problem is his instruction is not to advance past an exercise until you've mastered it. I'm stuck on the in staff B to D lip trill played with 1 and 3 down. Supposed to play it 16th notes but I'm not even close. I got nothing to do though so I'll keep plugging away. Maybe it wil come or maybe it will expose a serious problem with my embouchure. |
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ljazztrm Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Great post nyc. You and I are familiar with a lot of these concepts but one thing that I feel is causing a breakthrough for me is lesson 4 where he has that exercise where you're blowing through the mouthpiece, putting it into the leadpipe to start the buzz, and then taking it out again. I've been doing this more and more and it's really been letting the air take over my playing little by little which is making all aspects easier and better. All the best, Lex. _________________ Mouthpieces:
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jbptucson Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| nyctrumpeter wrote: | | jbptucson wrote: | All I know is if I play this way, every attack falls flat after initial attack, and I can play about to a G on top of the staff. Also, if I try to play loud or high, my lips just blow apart.
There is a lot more to know if you want to actually play this way. |
Play what way exactly? |
The open aperture, don't buzz the moutpiece, use lots of air and use horn feedback make the notes happen. It works, but not for me, that's all I really meant. _________________ Jeff Parfenchuck |
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crzytptman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| nyctrumpeter wrote: | | crzytptman wrote: | | I think what's amazing is if you go to the website, it has the exact same videos. |
So? I'm sure there is more. Nothing to say about what was posted? Agree, disagree, comments? He follows along from beginning to end and shows you how it works at the end. |
I have been to the website, watched all his videos, and even had some email conversation with him. I found the information useful. _________________ Crazy Nate aka Jive-a-licious
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| ljazztrm wrote: | | Great post nyc. You and I are familiar with a lot of these concepts but one thing that I feel is causing a breakthrough for me is lesson 4 where he has that exercise where you're blowing through the mouthpiece, putting it into the leadpipe to start the buzz, and then taking it out again. I've been doing this more and more and it's really been letting the air take over my playing little by little which is making all aspects easier and better. All the best, Lex. |
Yes absolutely right on. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| jbptucson wrote: | | nyctrumpeter wrote: | | jbptucson wrote: | All I know is if I play this way, every attack falls flat after initial attack, and I can play about to a G on top of the staff. Also, if I try to play loud or high, my lips just blow apart.
There is a lot more to know if you want to actually play this way. |
Play what way exactly? |
The open aperture, don't buzz the moutpiece, use lots of air and use horn feedback make the notes happen. It works, but not for me, that's all I really meant. |
Ok. Have you tried the leadpipe buzzing? Also, try opening and closing the aperture to find the most optimum position for your lips. Before giving up on this, try that again and I think you'll be suprised. It took me a while to give in to this but when it clicked it opened up everything. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| ljazztrm wrote: | | Great post nyc. You and I are familiar with a lot of these concepts but one thing that I feel is causing a breakthrough for me is lesson 4 where he has that exercise where you're blowing through the mouthpiece, putting it into the leadpipe to start the buzz, and then taking it out again. I've been doing this more and more and it's really been letting the air take over my playing little by little which is making all aspects easier and better. All the best, Lex. |
Also, I have a spare leadpipe since I had to have my horn repaired and a new one put on. I use it as a leadpipe buzzing tool to see how free my air is as well as how resonant I can make that pipe. When that thing is going I know I can go to the horn assembled as usual and play with no problem. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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jbptucson Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I'll look into this again, to see where I differ. _________________ Jeff Parfenchuck |
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| jbptucson wrote: | | I'll look into this again, to see where I differ. |
You never know what happens when you give it another shot with an open mind. Let me know what happens. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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stumac Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have had a couple of 1 to 1 lessons with Greg and since adopting his principles I have stopped free and mouthpiece buzzing.
Letting the horn find its own resonance has resulted in a much improved tone and endurance.
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eric33 Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Hi nyc,
These videos are really excellent, and make me very enthousiastic!!!
I have also bought the method, and all that I can say, is to say that it is for me the best trumpet method never made! Videos and mp3s are great bonus, good recordings quality and very useful, and it is a perfect book for beginners, comeback players and struggling players (and teachers too!)
Greg Spence's advices are great, and as for any method, read it many times before to practice it!
Sorry for my poor english,
Eric
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nyc: bravo for your videos, I like very much the way you play!!!  |
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hefferson Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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The most valuable thing I have gained through Mr. Spence's website is the Leadpipe buzzing video along with the Shape video. Once I figured out how to keep my face relaxed enough not to create a buzz on the mouthpiece and only buzz the leadpipe I could hear my sound opening up. When I took the time to learn to change shape without changing my air my range improved on the horn. Granted the extra notes I have gained (G-C above high c) are just squeaks for the time being, the pitch is there. I have found these videos very helpful in relaxing and being more efficient when playing. _________________ Bach 72*/43 Bb
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| hefferson wrote: | | The most valuable thing I have gained through Mr. Spence's website is the Leadpipe buzzing video along with the Shape video. Once I figured out how to keep my face relaxed enough not to create a buzz on the mouthpiece and only buzz the leadpipe I could hear my sound opening up. When I took the time to learn to change shape without changing my air my range improved on the horn. Granted the extra notes I have gained (G-C above high c) are just squeaks for the time being, the pitch is there. I have found these videos very helpful in relaxing and being more efficient when playing. |
I'm glad that this has helped you. I have suggested the use of leadpipe buzzing to replace traditional mouthpiece buzzing and to check it out and see the benefits. You have. I think we can learn alot from that. I'm not saying mpc buzzing can't work I'm saying it doesn't work for me and I don't see the benefits as I see in leadpipe buzzing. _________________ CG Benge (@1975)
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jocar37 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Recently I've noticed a lot of pressure, even some pain, on my lips when playing above the staff. This week I watched several Greg Spence videos on YouTube and feel like they've already helped me a bit with my pressure problem. So of course I went to Greg's website to check out his book, and found it and several other items.
The e-book is a lot cheaper than the hard copy. Is there is a good reason to buy the hard copy instead of or in combo with the ecopy? Also, if I buy the ebook, does anyone know if I can use it on more than one computer? I'd like to have it on the computer in my music room, but also on a laptop for travel practice.
My wind is pretty good, so I don't think I need the WindBag, WindGauge or WindTunnel. The WindStick looks like the narrow straw that comes with some spray products like WD40. Would such a straw serve the same purpose?
How useful is the visualizer? Looks like it might be a short-term tool, and I'm not sure I really need it.
The leadpipe exercise looks like it could be useful. But couldn't you accomplish the same thing just by using a trumpet, maybe with the tuning slide removed? _________________ 1945 Martin Committee
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:39 am Post subject: |
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His methods have served as a stern reminder to me to keep tension out of the picture and let the lips respond to the horn. I still free and mpc buzz, but I do so with as little tension as possible, move to the pipe and then the horn, reducing tension with each move.
Still, the best way for me to go is to play a lot, a lesson I learned last week when I did a rare 6 hour day, 2-3 hr rehearsal in the early afternoon and then a 3 hr gig at night. I felt better during that gig than I ever had, and I kept many of Greg's (and other's) concepts in mind. And learned that I didn't need as long a warmup as I surmised just get as loose as I was during that gig. Man, if I knew this stuff in college...
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