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lburrows
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| bach_again wrote: | | For me nothing beat the B&H Sovereign 921. It was like a perfect horn for me when I played cornet. I have played Courtois, Besson 928, Yammies etc... and nothing played like it - except for the Courtois 106XL - which had the extra large leadpipe. I didn't get the chance to play it for long, but it was incredible. I must say I played a standard Courtois 106 cornet and it was really poor - for me - while I had it. |
Hi bach_again
I've heard great things about the 921 Sovereign. I tried a secondhand one years ago, for sale at a music shop, but this one had been poorly maintained and played badly. I'd love to have ago on a good example, but don't know anyone who has one, and have never fancied risking buying one on Ebay.
All the best
Lou
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lburrows
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| RandyTX wrote: | | lburrows wrote: | | I've decided to go for the Smith Watkins. I feel that is a great playing free blowing cornet with a really nice tone, and for me is superior in blow, feel and playability to the Prestige, which soundwise is a really great cornet. |
Congratulations. I've had the opportunity to play a S-W cornet, and it was just fabulous. Hard to go wrong with such a choice. |
Hi RandyTX
Thanks very much.
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
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B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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lburrows
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| qcm wrote: | Lou,
Congratulations on your choice!
Hope we can hear some selections on your new Smith-Watkins sometime soon!
-Dave |
Hi Dave
Great to hear from you on here!
Thank you very much.
I really hope that you are well.
Take Care
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
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Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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lburrows
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| SirBuzzALot wrote: | | I'm pretty sure the sovereign cornet is still made. Its on the Besson website and available new to buy! It has the first and third triggers too which i prefer. |
Hi SirBuzzALot
I checked also, and the Sovereign is on the Besson website. You can still buy them new in the UK, so I guess that they aren't discontinued.
All the best
Lou
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Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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lburrows
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| FrankM wrote: | Smith Watkins K2 Bb Cornet Smith Watkins K2 Bb Cornet
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Hi Lou, This is on Ebay now.
Any use? Best wishes, Frank. |
Hi Frank
Thank you very much. This is really appreciated. Sadly, I have already put a deposit on a new one, but to be honest, having found a marked difference between the two prestiges at Phil Parker, I decided to buy the Smith Watkins that I'd tried.
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
Bach 183 Flugel - Bach 3CFL |
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Dale Proctor
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| lburrows wrote: | | ...having found a marked difference between the two prestiges at Phil Parker, I decided to buy the Smith Watkins that I'd tried... |
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 
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MM2
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Just to say that the smith/Watkins is made by kanstul and tweaked in England
`the same is true with the wild thing.
`kanstul, the last time `i looked made a version of the `smith-`watkins
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| MM2 wrote: | Just to say that the smith/Watkins is made by kanstul and tweaked in England
`the same is true with the wild thing.
`kanstul, the last time `i looked made a version of the `smith-`watkins
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The SW "Soloist" models are made by Kanstul to Richard Smith's specs here in the states and then shipped to Richard's place in York where the leadpipes which he manufactures over there are then fitted per customers choice. The horns may also be plated over there. The horn is also QCd by Richard over there and then shipped directly to the customer.
I believe the K2 models are also manufactured to Richard's specs by Kanstul but are then shipped directly to the end customer without passing thru Richard's hand. At least that is my understanding.
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lburrows
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Black |
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | lburrows wrote: | | ...having found a marked difference between the two prestiges at Phil Parker, I decided to buy the Smith Watkins that I'd tried... |
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. |
Hi Dale
I totally agree.
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
Bach 183 Flugel - Bach 3CFL |
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lburrows
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Black |
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Hi MM2 & Flattergrub
I didn't know to be quite honest that the Smith Watkins cornets, are made in the USA by Kanstul, but it doesn't bother me in the least.
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
Bach 183 Flugel - Bach 3CFL |
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Flattergrub
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Black |
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| lburrows wrote: | Hi MM2 & Flattergrub
I didn't know to be quite honest that the Smith Watkins cornets, are made in the USA by Kanstul, but it doesn't bother me in the least.
All the best
Lou |
Lou - You are gonna have a great, great horn. I know many great players that are playing them. The woman that won the high brass technical competition this year in the U.S. at NABBA (Amy Nelson) plays an SW "Soloist". Check out Ashley Hall here playing Arban's "Fantasie Brilliant". She plays an SW K2.
http://www.ashleyhalltrumpet.com/media/
I wouldn't sell my "Soloist" model for anything. I'll die with this horn  My next project is to have Richard Smith and Kanstul build me a "Soloist" model with interchangable bells. as well as the leadpipes.
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lburrows
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Greg Black |
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| Flattergrub wrote: | | lburrows wrote: | Hi MM2 & Flattergrub
I didn't know to be quite honest that the Smith Watkins cornets, are made in the USA by Kanstul, but it doesn't bother me in the least.
All the best
Lou |
Lou - You are gonna have a great, great horn.
Hi Flattergrub
Thank you very much. I'm really looking forward to it coming on Tuesday.
I know many great players that are playing them. The woman that won the high brass technical competition this year in the U.S. at NABBA (Amy Nelson) plays an SW "Soloist". Check out Ashley Hall here playing Arban's "Fantasie Brilliant". She plays an SW K2.
http://www.ashleyhalltrumpet.com/media/
Thank you very much for the above. I'm listening to Ashely Hall now. Very nice!
I wouldn't sell my "Soloist" model for anything. I'll die with this horn
My next project is to have Richard Smith and Kanstul build me a "Soloist" model with interchangable bells. as well as the leadpipes.
Sounds great! Hopefully you'll be able to order one soon.
Take Care
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
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B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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lyndon153
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I'd suggest trying out Custom Getzen's, like 3850S, or Schlike too.
When I looked for a new cornet the Schlike won, but my Getzen 850S was very, very close and $1000 less.
The right MP makes a big difference too. Do you already have DW4/4B ?
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Landrewp
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Lyndon
Do you play these cornets in a brass band? If you do how well do they blend with the other cornets? |
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lburrows
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:00 am Post subject: Re: what about... |
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| lyndon153 wrote: | I'd suggest trying out Custom Getzen's, like 3850S, or Schlike too.
When I looked for a new cornet the Schlike won, but my Getzen 850S was very, very close and $1000 less.
Hi lyndon153
Thank you very much. My new cornet is due to arrive by courier today, so I've made a final decision.
Regarding the Getzen, I've heard very good things about it. Unfortunately, it just isn't that easy to try cornets in the UK anymore, most stockists keeping only student models in stock, and ordering in professional models once they've made a sale.
I had to travel to the capital to try what I did.
The right MP makes a big difference too. Do you already have DW4/4B ?
Yes, I have a Denis Wick 4B and 3B.
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
Bach 183 Flugel - Bach 3CFL |
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Dale Proctor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:07 am Post subject: Re: what about... |
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| lburrows wrote: | | ...Unfortunately, it just isn't that easy to try cornets in the UK anymore, most stockists keeping only student models in stock, and ordering in professional models once they've made a sale... |
That's a sad state of affairs. I assumed the UK was the cornet capital of the world... 
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lburrows
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | lburrows wrote: | | ...Unfortunately, it just isn't that easy to try cornets in the UK anymore, most stockists keeping only student models in stock, and ordering in professional models once they've made a sale... |
That's a sad state of affairs. I assumed the UK was the cornet capital of the world... |
Hi Dale
Unfortunately not
All the best
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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FrankM
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:18 am Post subject: Re: what about... |
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | lburrows wrote: | | ...Unfortunately, it just isn't that easy to try cornets in the UK anymore, most stockists keeping only student models in stock, and ordering in professional models once they've made a sale... |
That's a sad state of affairs. I assumed the UK was the cornet capital of the world... |
Dale, you're assumption is probably correct, but there's no need for players to go shopping since bands supply the instruments. In my band only 3 out of 10 cornets are privately owned. Plus the major suppliers have trade stands at contests, so players looking to buy tend to shop there. |
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Hi again Lou!....hope you and yours are well!
I think that the UK IS arguably the 'cornet capital' but I don't know for how much longer,...the prob that Lou has is that, like me, she lives in the South of England, probably the most 'non-brass band' area of the UK. In the north aroudn 'brass band country' it's much easier to find all the BB stuff including instruments and expert teachers etc becasue that's where the worlds top bands are,...although the current champs are the Cory Band from the Rhonda,..another good BB area of the UK. All of these areas have both specialised music/brass outlets and, increasingly, one-man specialists. Also several of the makers are up there too, apart from 'Eclipse'. |
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lburrows
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Black |
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Hi Bob
Great to see you on here. We're all good, thanks. I really hope that you & your family are well.
Take Care
Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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