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mribdj New Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: Getzen Capri cornet mouthpiece |
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| Just got a Getzen Capri. Not a pro horn, but sweet nonetheless. Anyone have a Getzen cornet mouthpiece, say 1 1/2 C or so for sale? Or, advice on a good alternative for a back row player? |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Wick 3 or 4? |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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According to Getzen - at least according to this thread - the Capri is not set up for small shank cornet mouthpiece. One person commented that it was rather stuffy with one.
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| If you want a mouthpiece that is closer to "standard" shank, have a look on Laskey cornet series. |
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:23 am Post subject: |
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What's the difference in the set-up for the different shanks? I have a Getzen Eterna and the shanks, long or short, go in the same distance
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I don't know exactly what "not set up for a short-shank mouthpiece" means, other than maybe the acoustics of the horn don't respond well to an extremely open mouthpiece (a characteristic of most short-shank cornet mouthpieces). The shanks on modern long and short shank cornet mouthpieces are the same taper, so they will fit the same.
As to the original question, I'd contact Mark Curry and talk to him about his BBC line of cornet mouthpieces. The rims are based on Mt. Vernon Bach profiles, and the cups, throats, and backbores are matched to give you a very nice brass band sound without as much difficulty in the upper register. They aren't as open (or short) as something like a Wick, so one of Mark's BBC pieces may be a better match to the Capri.
Here is a pic comparing the lengths of Bach, Curry BBC, and Wick cornet mouthpieces...
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veery715 Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| oxleyk wrote: |
What's the difference in the set-up for the different shanks? I have a Getzen Eterna and the shanks, long or short, go in the same distance
Kent | The short shanks in the same size offer less resistance (impedance?), and tend to have larger cups to offset intonation shifting sharp. I have a Stork 4A reg shank and a 4A+ short and they play the same pitch-wise but the short piece plays more open. (The + is a difference in cup depth - wider at the bottom and having a larger bore - which makes it even more open so this is not a direct comparison.)
The Storks are GREAT pieces and you can find one which isn't stuffy if you try the A and A+. Give Phyllis a call and she will guide you.
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I understand the differences of the mouthpieces but what, as was previously mentioned, needs to be different on the horn to accommodate short mouthpieces?
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veery715 Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| oxleyk wrote: | I understand the differences of the mouthpieces but what, as was previously mentioned, needs to be different on the horn to accommodate short mouthpieces?
Kent | In my experience, nothing. The tapers are the same. Any modern cornet should accept and play OK with either. _________________ veery715
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, you just have to try them out to see how they work. Most of the more modern cornets I've tried a big, short-shank mouthpiece on have responded well to them. A couple haven't, though, and it's usually a problem with intonation (cornet going flat as the notes go higher). _________________ Olde Towne Brass
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mribdj New Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the help, guys. I'll start with the DW3 or 4 and go from there. |
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lburrows Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
I'm guessing that you are currently playing cornet in a brass band. If so, what mouthpiece are you using at the moment? If you are new to cornet, & are using a 1 1/2 C on trumpet, a Denis Wick 3 or 4 will come as a shock, as they are very very deep, & are deeper than a Bach flugel mp. The Curry 1.5BBC is similar to the shallower Denis Wick B cup, & would have a familiar rim. You initally may find the shallower Curry 1.5DC an easier transition/initial step.
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lburrows Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
I'm guessing that you are currently playing cornet in a brass band. If so, what mouthpiece are you using at the moment? If you are new to cornet, & are using a 1 1/2 C on trumpet, a Denis Wick 3 or 4 will come as a shock, as they are very very deep, & are deeper than a Bach flugel mp. The Curry 1.5BBC is similar to the shallower Denis Wick B cup, & would have a familiar rim. You initally may find the shallower Curry 1.5DC an easier transition/initial step.
All the best
Lou _________________ I am now Lou Finch
I am a Principal Cornet and Big Band Trumpeter.
Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
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roynj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mribdj wrote: | | Thanks for all the help, guys. I'll start with the DW3 or 4 and go from there. |
I am an experienced cornet player, and my comment is that a DW3 is going to be like jumping into the deep end. You may become discouraged. I would suggest that if you use a trumpet 1 1/2 C, try the 3B. You will probably respond much better on the 3B at first. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Wick 3 and 4 are very playable; I would suggest the RW and Heritage series, shock or no shock. Wick 3B is fine too. The depth of the cup takes out the brashness of the sound, but you don't want to sound as a trumpet on a cornet.
The OP is asking for a 1 1/2C - in Wick Heritage series the closest might be 1B, which is a fabulous mouthpiece, too. All of the above worked well with Getzen Eterna and Getzen 782 cornets. |
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