Schagerl Gansch Horn - to buy unplayed or not?

Jetskihater

Hi folks - #1 post for me! I am in Australia and am considering purchasing a 2nd hand heavy weight gold plated Gansch Horn. My pro playing has been mostly orchestral although these days I am full time teaching and not performing so much. My question is; should I risk paying $4000 euro for a 12 month old horn untested or go to our local dealer and pay the equivalent of $6000 euro for the same instrument new? Are they reliable enough to take the risk?
Cheers and thanks for any feedback.

AlfaFreak · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject:

Hey Jetskihater,

Great to see another Aussie on the board here.

As far as Schargerl's go, every one I've ever seen here in Sydney has been beautifully made, this extends to both piston and rotary trumpets. I've never seen a Gansch horn here but would imagine the same amazing build quality would apply.

Cheers
YamahaCollector

Jetskihater · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject:

G'day Yamaha Collector - likewise - great to see another member from OZ here! I've not heard anything negative about the Schagerl gear either. Just a bit scary buying from Europe without a personal test!

Check your PMs - maybe we know each other - small world as it is!

stumac · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject:

Hi,

the local agent would have to import the Gansh horn for you and it probably have to be specially made.

One of my friends bought a Schargerl new from a dealer in England and with shipping and taxes saved himself $1400. Does one get the feeling we are being ripped off by the local people?

The other possibility is to look at the horn built by George Shlub in Singapore, I have played one of his horns and it is supurb.

Regards, Stuart.

Jetskihater · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject:

Thanks Stuart - yes, I think we are being ripped off. Will have a look at the Shlub - never heard of them though. Are you in Flinders VIC??

jmichaelhurt · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Posts: 185

I don't think reliability is going to be an issue with that horn. They are just too well made!

Even if you didn't like it you're not going to have too hard a time trying to sell it. There just aren't many out there and they are becoming increasingly popular.

George Schlub of Schlub Brass Works is an absolutely great guy! He hasn't been making horns for too long but he has been receiving great reviews! His "Gansch" style horn isn't a copy of Schagerl's instrument it only looks like one. He can tweak it however to play like you want it to. If you want dark he can make it dark, if you want bright he can do that too and so on. And he'll do it for about half the price of a new Schagerl Gansch Horn! He'll do it in a fraction of the time too!
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Jetskihater · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:40 am Post subject:

Thanks jmichaelhurt. Am more keen to go for the schagerl but very interested in Mr. Schlub regardless. Great to get the positive feed back!

Cheers.

jvand678 · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 467 Location: TX

Be careful with any used horns especially in that price range if you don't know the seller or can't have a friend try it out first. You could probably still fetch the same price if you resold it BUT there is a chance that if it doesn't play well or more importantly doesn't suit your playing style or idea of sound you're stuck with a pretty pricey instrument taking a sizable loss.

As for reliability and consistency, Schagerl can build a wonderful instrument but I am sorry to say that I have also played some dogs and they have a history (moreso in the early years than now) of bad soldering.

JV
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razeontherock · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:15 am Post subject:

FWIW, I've had dealings with Mr Schlub and he's a straight up guy. Haven't played his horns, but I have taken note that he's been building them. Always great to see another quality builder! (Great to see someone in Rich Ita's shop playing a Bravura and being willing to admit it, too. I've got 3 of Jason's creations and can't bring myself to let go of any of them because they play so amazingly well)

jmichaelhurt · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Posts: 185

I don't want to highjack this thread but I'm not at all afraid to admit that I play a Harrelson. I play test all kinds of horns every single day at the shop and I wouldn't trade my Bravura for any of them. In fact, I told my wife and Rich to never let me sell it. No matter what! Although, I have thought about selling it to help fund a Gansch horn but not wanting to sell my Harrelson led to contacting George Schlub about his creations!
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tk1031 · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject:

Hi,
Am I to understand you can get a used Gansch horn local? Or you can have the used horn shipped to you?

Anyway, if you can play on it and you like it... go for it. Used or not the Schagerl Gansch horns are great. I own, and play on two of them The Vienna, and the Horsdorf Heavy. I love them both, they are a lot different from mine, except for the shape.... but great horns. I have played a lot of Schagerl second hand, and demos that have been sold off at a discount because they have been "used" but they are all great. If you are shopping for a used horn it's always good to know who you are getting it from (just a little advise). I love them, but my wife won't let me buy anymore, "Just make one!"
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tk1031 · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject:

BTW, thank you guys for the kind words. I will try my hardest to make you proud.

G TK1031
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Zirnbauer Piccolo Bd/A

Jetskihater · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject:

Hi TK1031 - going to have the horn shipped from Europe to OZ. It's a Horsdorf Heavy - gold plated. I think I'm going to take a chance I like it and buy it anyhow!

tk1031 · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject:

Sweet, I think I have heard of that horn floating around. I can't remember if I sent the guy an email or not. Sounds like you are getting a good deal. I hope you report on it here after you get it. My first Gansch Horn changed my life.
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Schagerl "Gansch" Vienna Trumpet Schagerl "Gansch" Horsdorf Heavy
Schlub "Damar" 4 valve Flugelhorn
Zirnbauer Piccolo Bd/A

Jetskihater · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject:

Very much looking forward to having a blow - and seeing the look on my students faces when they first see it!

Will certainly get back on here when I eventually get it!

starabajta · New Member Joined: 22 Jul 2012 Posts: 5

Hello,

I think i might help ypu here. I play a schagerl Phelin bought in the factory in Melk direct from mr. Schagerl. Yes it is true, those instruments are really a dream to play on, at least for me. But i have also to say, that i play tested like 15 horns, than i ended up with 3 Phelins and neither was exact the same. All of those 3 were fantastic but one of those 3 was then the horn for me. And as now i am intending to buy a Gansch horn also, so i ll have to sale my Phelin, but in this price range you have to try the horn out yourself, because i can reaaly tell you, that they play and feel different and they can be all the same model, the same plating and so on. The Gansch horns i tried in 2007 when i bought my Phelin were different. Each other was different. And now i finally decided to buy one and sell my Phelin. Hope that helps you.

Matic K.

Peter50plus · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:40 am Post subject:

I was after a Ganch horn, and it was just impossible to get a lead time on it. The price was high (but not a concern at the time), but just could not get communication to happen (Melbourne Brass & Woodwind really tried hard). I ended up getting "The Dingo" made by George Schlub, and it was made in a matter of weeks. The whole deal was done via email, and only took 24 hours to have it done. Customer service IS George....best to do business with.

BTW I also have a Killer Queen and a Schagerl James Morrison, and love Schagerl. It took me about 8 months to get the Killer Queen a couple of years ago. They are/were just too slow to respond.

I would recommend both Karl Schagerl and George Schlub.

I wish you luck with the Ganch horn, but I am sure you'll love it, quality, and finish and valves are just superb.
Cheers
Peter

razeontherock · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:54 am Post subject:

Sounds like we need some contact / purchase info on Schlub horns? George, do you have a website? Nothing turning up on the web, except "mobile me is closed"

Peter50plus · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject:

Check facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/Schlubbrassworks

I am really happy with the DINGO - it is a great horn. It is not a copy of the Ganch Horn, just has the same look due to the rotaries. But really plays very well.

Get in contact with George, it will be well worth your time.
Cheers
Peter

TrentAustin · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: