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musicman0097
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Flip Oakes L series has a shallow cup, 26 drill and open backbore. He doesn't have a 2-1/2 size, but the 3 is based on Bach Mt. Vernon which is a little bigger than a modern 3C rim. I use this and it's awesome.
Curry has a 2 size with a Bachish rim, and a few shallow cups. I recommend getting in touch with either of these men and discussing it.
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| Fuzzy Dunlop wrote: | | John Mohan wrote: | | Mark Curry 3C. - The 3C. is based on a Mt Vernon 3C that was a bit smaller than a typical Mt Vernon 3C. |
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John Mohan
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Something I failed to point out in my earlier post:
The largest mouthpiece I have ever regularly played is a Bach Mt Vernon 1/
The smallest mouthpiece I have every regularly played is a Reeves 42M.
My range is identical with both.
Every (EVERY) player I've ever encountered who has a good upper register can player those top notes on small or big mouthpieces. If anything, it is the smallest mouthpieces that shut off their lips' vibrations and limit range.
A good player will get a stronger sounding high note with a (slightly) smaller and (slightly) shallower mouthpiece. But those smaller mouthpieces do not increase the range of a player. They just make what range he has a bit stronger and surer on the upper end at the expense of the middle and lower ends. |
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giakara
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| John Mohan wrote: | Something I failed to point out in my earlier post:
The largest mouthpiece I have ever regularly played is a Bach Mt Vernon 1/
The smallest mouthpiece I have every regularly played is a Reeves 42M.
My range is identical with both.
Every (EVERY) player I've ever encountered who has a good upper register can player those top notes on small or big mouthpieces. If anything, it is the smallest mouthpieces that shut off their lips' vibrations and limit range.
A good player will get a stronger sounding high note with a (slightly) smaller and (slightly) shallower mouthpiece. But those smaller mouthpieces do not increase the range of a player. They just make what range he has a bit stronger and surer on the upper end at the expense of the middle and lower ends. |
Total agree , my range is almost the same with my 43C with #28 bore and my 43ES but if i have to play lead,salsa or commercial stuff in big audience and ampilified set i cant do it with my 43C more that half hour but with the ES cup i do the job all nite long .
Before 5 years me and a other TH member , we have play a two hours set salsa and after 30 minutes break we have to play two more hours with Palenque all stars and the famous singer Tito Allen in Palenque club here in Athens , belive me we cant make it with out those shalow Reeves , shalow cups are not the best allround solution but some times it saves our a$$  .
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DaveH
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IMO, the most significant variable with mouthpieces are the differences in tone that are possible by using different cup shapes, sizes, and depths.
The next difference, in my opinion, would be the amount of physical effort required to produce sound. I think sometimes a very big mouthpiece may take more physical work for some players to play. More air and embouchure strength.
And I also agree with John Mohan above. You need a good compromise. I think that for many players, it can get too small as well as too big.
The specific brand and model of mouthpiece that will best accomplish the intended purpose is a mystery to me. |
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zackh411
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I slightly agree. I can play just about as high on my lead piece as my classical piece, but the smaller mouthpieces give me much more projection and better tone quality up high (above high C). They also make it quite a bit easier to play up there.
I disagree only on the magnitude of the effect. I think it makes a pretty big difference for me.
I think that this is going to depend on the person, more than anything else.
By the way, since when is a 3c a high note piece (arturo notwithstanding)?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:30 am Post subject: Good mouthpiece for hitting high notes |
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| It never ceases to amaze me that there is always a Mr. Know it all that wastes his time telling someone with a mouthpiece/High note question that "no mouthpiece will instantly turn you into Vrturo Sandoval overnight" Duh we know that. However if you want to drive really fast on a smooth road a Formula 1 race car is a little bit more helpful than a Monster truck. THAT is the question, not all this condescending garbage. |
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While harder to find than the aforementioned mouthpieces, the UMI-Benge 4SC and 5½SC mouthpieces work well for me. They occasionally pop up on eBay, despite having been discontinued.
Another piece which I get good results with is the Bach 3E, and it is still produced. |
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| Quote: | | Total agree , my range is almost the same with my 43C with #28 bore and my 43ES but if i have to play lead,salsa or commercial stuff in big audience and ampilified set i cant do it with my 43C more that half hour but with the ES cup i do the job all nite long . Before 5 years me and a other TH member , we have play a two hours set salsa and after 30 minutes break we have to play two more hours with Palenque all stars and the famous singer Tito Allen in Palenque club here in Athens , belive me we cant make it with out those shalow Reeves , shalow cups are not the best allround solution but some times it saves |
God,finally… and guys..this is why also you might have inconsistency in your range from day to day…if you are doing high note work…loud F's,G's above high C and up from there…I really believe you need a shallow enough mouthpiece…it's gotta feel easy up there or you're going to get tired and lose chops. Efficiency is the name of the game..so you can play up there all the time…just like your an octave or two lower. So..make sure it's the shallowest piece,and smallest diameter YOU can comfortably play. Many cats play pieces that are too big and deep for this type of work. Sure there are players who have more lip protrusion than others (and some use two or more embouchures to compensate for wrong mouthpiece size or other factors)..you have to figure out what's the shallowest for YOU..and what diameter fits YOU..just like your shoe size…when it feels easy and efficient, you're on the right track!
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I agree with ljazztrm 100%. Most of the guys with sick high ranges that I know can do anything on any mouthpiece, but choose to play the small stuff when they have to play upper register because it gives them more projection, better endurance, and requires less effort.
Ingram said it best: It's the right tool for the job.
Of all the guys I can think of with lead / high note chops in my town, I can only think of one guy who plays "big" equipment. Everyone else is playing reasonably (or extremely) shallow mouthpieces.
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