Schilke A1 and Bach 181 Ml/37 cornet

[cornet74]

Think i have the Bach model # right? These are 2 long model cornets that seem to be the only "long model" professional cornets in production, although I see a Kanst. Long model cornet that many ppl I've spoken to say is ever bit of a pro instrument. I have a wonderful Yam. "Brit." cornet and formerly had a LB 921. The 921 was far to big and had a low register which simply did not "speak" and which I was warned by some Brit. players that this 921 low-register issue was one that many ppl came upon. i simply gave the 921 to a friend who really loved it. of course he always tells me i can have it back anytime as he is aware of the value.

My question, even though I've played the A1 and ML/37 long cornets years ago, I've forgotten them. I do remeber the A1 was gold plated and had a modified Shep. crook.

I am wondering if anyone has A/Bd then recently or owns either one as my only long model cornets are a recent Bach 300 (good horn for a student inst. but very tight) and a Bach Mercedes II from the late 60s which has a 43 bell and with a Strad. VB signature on it. This last mentioned horn is quite good but suffers from a dent on the second valve slide that no repair-person I've come across can seem to totally fix it and it does "play" with the resistance. I've had some good success on it with a Wick 3B and a Curry 5DC/VC mpc(s.) But now i only play mpcs. in the VB 10.5 realm and have yet to receive these two cornets from a different location where I've had them stored.

Any thoughts on either the Bach, Schilke or Kanst. long model would be very helpful. Thank you.
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Wick Wooden Tenor Horn Straight Mute

[giakara]

Dont forget Wild Thing long cornet , very respectable horn specialy betwen jazz cornet players.

Regards
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[Dale Proctor]

I've played numerous Bach Strad long cornets over the years and I seem to like the large bore ones better. I almost bought a new demo one back in the late 80's, but we couldn't agree on a price. They've all been good, though. The only Schilke cornet I've ever played is an XA1, and that was a brief tryout at last year's ITG. That's about all I have to say about that, as Forrest Gump said.
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[Christian K. Peters]

Hello cornet74,
I have owned an A1 and have played the Bach. The Bach's sound is less trumpet like and the Schilke has a more cornet sound. I know that sounds odd and it is only an opinion. I believe that the Schilke is more mouthpiece sensitive also. You can get it much more trumpet like or you can go with a deeper/funnel cup to get a dark cornet sound, than you can with the Bach. I switched to an XA1 for brass band work and have preferred the sound and the look of the short model. I believe the XA1 has the copper brass bell and the A1 has the yellow brass bell. That is the source of the tonal differences.
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Christian K. Peters
Schilke Loyalist since 1976

[giakara]

[cornet74]

I wish to thank giakara, Dale Proctor and Christain K. Peters for their informative and insightful posts. A lot of good information. I'll see what info I can dig up about trying some of these horns. Unfortunately, its not like the good old days where being able to hop out to any number of music stores and try all of these horns is an option anymore--and even where I live which some consider to be the center of the world for music.

I don't think that anywhere is the center of the world for music (or anything else) these days. The center of the world is what you make of your locale.

Thank you again, all.
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Now:
Yamaha 203 Tenor Horn
Bach, Wick, Yamaha Mouthpieces
Wick Wooden Tenor Horn Straight Mute