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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Kanstul serial numbers Reply with quote

My granddaughter has a Kanstul model 700 trumpet. Its serial number is 33700. In Kanstul style, the slides are marked "00." Is this just an incredible coincidence or does Kanstul not use real serial numbers so the horn cannot be identified if stolen?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is probably coincidence. My Kanstul 1501 has ser. no. 6163, and
all the slides are marked 63.

By the way, I spent a little time in the "Big Thicket" myself when I was a kid. That was about 60-odd years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've a Kanstul Burbank Flugel (s/n) 1979 all slides are marked '79' It is the Kanstul way of doing things I believe.

Does anyone know what serial numbers Z. Kanstul used while making horns with D. Benge? What were 'his' starting numbers?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommy I have a KTR 700 serial no. 34699 and all the slides are marked 99.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sweet wrote:
I think it is probably coincidence. My Kanstul 1501 has ser. no. 6163, and
all the slides are marked 63.


It's not a coincidence.

Kanstul uses the last 2 digits of the serial number for the slides to insure that the slides lapped for that specific horn are not accidentally used on another horn. Getzen does something similar as well.

It's just a quality assurance check.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qcm is correct.

Also, 5-digit serial numbers designate instruments made starting in the year 2000.

The first horns Zig made under the Kanstul label were all 3-digit, starting with "0". He was not sure if his horns would be successful (!), and a lot of the first horns were sent to various name players for them to try & give Zig feedback. He didn't keep accurate records of who got what horn.

About 15 years ago I was playing with the jazz band at Cal State LA, and a kid brought in a copper bell Kanstul with the serial number 030. This was also before Zig put any kind of model designations of his horns - the only way to tell the difference was to see the bell flare.

This horn was the now 1500. I was also playing a 1500 (#17xx) at the time, and when the kid showed me his horn I asked where did he get it, what it cost him....he said $150 at a pawn shop in East LA.

Obviously the horn was hot. I told Zig about it & asked who got 030...and he didn't have any clue.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I misunderstood what Tommy meant by "coincidence".
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify: I was interested in the correspondence of the last three digits "700" with the model number of horn, also "700." I own several Kanstul instruments and am familiar with the two digit repeat on the slides. I mentioned that not as a coincidence but to show the correspondence with Kanstul's usual practice on pro-level horns.

Having a serial number end in the model number is, in this case, a one in one thousand chance. That's the coincidence in which I was interested.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qcm wrote:
Bob Sweet wrote:
I think it is probably coincidence. My Kanstul 1501 has ser. no. 6163, and
all the slides are marked 63.


It's not a coincidence.

Kanstul uses the last 2 digits of the serial number for the slides to insure that the slides lapped for that specific horn are not accidentally used on another horn. Getzen does something similar as well.

It's just a quality assurance check.

-Dave


This same thing is on my Bach 37, so I assume the newer Bach models (early 2000's and up) have this feature too.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone able to give me kanstul model of flugel for serial 23445 ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

call Charles at 800.KANSTUL. he can look it up for ya.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dialed it and I think I'm signed up twice for 9.95 help. Urgh
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry - should be 888 not 800
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The factory practice of stamping numbers on slides that correspond to the serial no. goes back to Olds, and King before that. I've seen it on LA Olds trumpets and trombones. Mr. Kanstul continues a good tradition that costs money, but is useful.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tommy t. wrote:
Having a serial number end in the model number is, in this case, a one in one thousand chance. That's the coincidence in which I was interested.

Tommy T.

Um, one in a hundred? Xx100, xx200, xx300...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkonstans1 wrote:
qcm wrote:
Bob Sweet wrote:
I think it is probably coincidence. My Kanstul 1501 has ser. no. 6163, and
all the slides are marked 63.


It's not a coincidence.

Kanstul uses the last 2 digits of the serial number for the slides to insure that the slides lapped for that specific horn are not accidentally used on another horn. Getzen does something similar as well.

It's just a quality assurance check.

-Dave


This same thing is on my Bach 37, so I assume the newer Bach models (early 2000's and up) have this feature too.

I will have to check my Bach when I get home, but I don't remember seeing any numbers stamped on the slides.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
bkonstans1 wrote:
qcm wrote:


It's not a coincidence.

Kanstul uses the last 2 digits of the serial number for the slides to insure that the slides lapped for that specific horn are not accidentally used on another horn. Getzen does something similar as well.

It's just a quality assurance check.

-Dave


This same thing is on my Bach 37, so I assume the newer Bach models (early 2000's and up) have this feature too.

I will have to check my Bach when I get home, but I don't remember seeing any numbers stamped on the slides.


On my new(ish) Bach, the last three digits of the serial number are engraved on the inner leg of the first slide saddle and on the valve-block side of the third slide ring. My Bach 37's serial also ends with "37"; I think that's neat.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Bach, purchased new in 1993 has the same, last digits of the serial engraved on the inner face of first valve saddle and inner face of 3rd slide ring (now replaced due to wear). Seems all do.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be in Korea for another week, but I will be very intersted to check.

I have a first valve trigger so it won't be on the saddle.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
tommy t. wrote:
Having a serial number end in the model number is, in this case, a one in one thousand chance. That's the coincidence in which I was interested.

Tommy T.

Um, one in a hundred? Xx100, xx200, xx300...


No, one in one thousand: KT700 serial xx700

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