Vizzutti vs. Wynton

Jam_Man_Tpt · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:20 pm Post subject:

The Wynton vs. Sandoval post got me wondering about how you guys compare Al Vizzutti and Wynton Marsalis. I think that as an overall musician and entertainer Al has Wynton beat by a long shot. Al writes solos that are amazing and I have to yet see a Wynton solo. I think Al has him beaten in the lead playing and in the jazz soloing. Listen to Al's solos on the Trumpet Summit CD: amazing. Al has some excellent technique. It is not everyday that you see a trumpet player playing solos double touging in double octaves and make melodies out of them. Dont't get me wrong, I also think Wynton is awesome, but perhaps a bit overrated (I hate to use that word). Wynton probably is a better classical player, but 10 years ago. Over the few years, Wynton's tone has turned into fluff. On piccolo trumpet, Maurice Andre has everyone beaten.
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thelurker · Veteran Member Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 257

I have heard Wynton, live, start a phrase on a big fat double C with a plunger mute, but people on here say that he doesn’t have range so who am I to argue….

also, to say Vizzutti is better at improv than Wynton is somewhat ignorant.

In general, comparison posts are a waste of time and often made by people that use one CD to represent an entire persons playing…

People can claim what ever they want over the internet, but when they make statements on a subject like this it tells the world where their playing is at musically by showing there musical maturity level…..

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drunkiq · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:44 pm Post subject:

antoher superman vs. the hulk post?

fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:51 pm Post subject:

Hard to compare those two and say Al is better than Wynton or Wynton is better than Al.... they both have technique out the wazoo.... but they play different styles of music. I really like both of them, but wouldn't say that one is better than the other.
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_PhilPicc · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:07 pm Post subject:

I think both are wonderful players, both musically and technically. I enjoy them both for different reasons.

Sitting on the fence I guess,
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trumpetmike · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:24 pm Post subject:

Hope there's room on that fence for all of us!

Both incredible players.
Both feature heavily in my CD collection.
Both better than I can ever hope of being!!!!!

PhxHorn · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:44 pm Post subject:

Wynton doesn't seem to ever play lead, which Vizzutti can do with the best of them. But Wynton's jazz playing has much more substance than Vizzutti's. At a clinic in Phoenix a few years ago, Vizzutti told the rhythm section, "I'm not really a jazz player, so please make it easy for me." He still got lost playing "Four."

So they don't really overlap much on those two categories. Where they both excel is classical playing, and I wouldn't want to be the guy who had to pick one over the other.

jazz_trpt · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:05 pm Post subject:

What is this, all-star wrestling?
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PhxHorn · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:07 pm Post subject:

Looks like it!

Rather than pitting them against each other (even theoretically), I think you'd be much better off, say, hearing Wynton playing the jazz book and Vizzutti playing the lead book of a big band. Or if they played together on a classical concert. In either case, there would be so much spectacular playing from either of them that comparisons would be pointless. Which they probably are, anyway.

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How about a new comparison? The art works of Van Gogh vs. those of Monet.
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fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:16 pm Post subject:

or maybe it's a rematch of the 1998 baseball season between McGwire and Sosa?

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FlugelFlyer · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:11 am Post subject:

Brock Lesnar vs. old Hulk Hogan in a gorilla-press Andre the Giant contest? That's another description

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AccentOnTrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 878

Allen Vizzutti will be the first to admit he's not the greatest improvisor...But his technique is amazing. They both did great things with the "Carnival Of Venice"...I find Vizzutti to be a much more exciting player than Wynton, but not a better improvisor.

I wouldn't say Wynton is the greatest improv guy either though. Has anyone heard his solo on "Three Trumpeters" with Nicholas Payton and Roy Hargrove? Wow, he gets smoked.

romey1 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 797

In a steel-cage match I'll go with.....

Both are technical "freaks" - let's just leave it at that.

romey

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Jim · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 110

Interesting

Jim · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 110

Both players are virtuosos without question. I think
Allen has more range and develops it more easily but I think Wynton can play anything he wants to play and make it sound great. Both are extremely fine composers although Wynton is more creative and deep with his writing, in my opinion. I also think Wynton colors his playing more readily than Allen does and creates more interesting jazz solos that are not only technically amazing but also make sense musically. The "pure chops" award goes to Allen in my opinion, however. In short, one could probably flip a coin as to which is the superior player; would you like your $10 million in gold or silver? There really is no answer to this question. Jim

ARB · Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:05 pm Post subject:

Man, I just purchased Wynton's 'Live at the Village Vanguard' and so far (it's playing as I type) there ain't a bad cut on it. Wynton is a bad man!
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MF Fan · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:49 pm Post subject:

Comparing artists like this is somewhat pointless, but fun! From a trumpet standpoint, here's one way to think about it: What % of Wynton's recorded works could Allen credibly reproduce, vs. the % of Allen's recorded works could Wynton credibly reproduce. I suspect Allen would come out a ways ahead in that contest.

etownfwd · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:19 pm Post subject:

MF Fan,
I disagree with the statement that Viz. could play the same material that Wynton does. While Viz. has some astonishing technique, there is an aspect and energy to Wynton's live sound that is often lost somewhere in the recording process. I also doubt that Vizutti could confer the same information in his sound that Skain does. However, just like these topics that make often pointless arguments, this is only an opinion and we all know what opinions are like! Both Viz. and Skain are MONSTER players and I totally agree with all of those who have said that there will never be a clear and concise winner of this post. I am done whining now....thank you
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