Isn't enough enough?

VetPsychWars · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: Isn't enough enough?

Josh Landress just posted that he's never coming back because of "Capt. Kirk".

This person was banned from Trumpet Herald years ago for being a persistent buffoon.

Why are we allowing Josh Landress to leave forever and let "Capt. Kirk" free reign?

BAN HIM NOW.

Tom
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Lawler Bb · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't enough enough?

RandyTX · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject:

Hit them on the bottom line. Contact the advertisers, and make them aware of it. Maybe money will matter to them, if common sense won't.

PH · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject:

I believe that the advertisers do not pay to advertise on TH. This certainly was the policy a couple of years ago. I am not aware that it has changed.
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EBjazz · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject:

I pay to advertise here.

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Conn Collector · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't enough enough?

ohiotpt · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 987

There were several "one day wonder" Trolls who pop up, insult everything and are quickly exterminated. One can't tell but I don't seem to think that was an over all loss.

There was this holier then thou fellow named morris with a love of Conns who kept fighting on the wrong side of issues. He was banned, and doesn't seem a loss, though it seems like there is often someone else to jump in with very similar posts. He was always quoting the rules, but one wonders if he could return ignoring the rule against multiple names. He seemed to hate a fellow named Scorpion. Don't know what happened to Scorpion, he was entertaining. When I PM'd him he actually seemed to know his stuff.

There was some fellow named "Dr. Schmidt" (might have that name wrong) whose only desire it seemed was to say how great he played and how much higher. The place seemed a bit nicer after he was disappeared into the corn field with no apparent loss. He supported some crook named "Murray" (among several other names). Murray by a huge amount of evidence was a crook. I mean a REAL not pay for an item not send an item Crook. A hold a charity concert talking a big name in performing, then walking out the back door with the box office.

Oh, Morris backed the crook also when it was pointed out his minister paperwork simply came from an onsite pay your money get your credentials site. Apparently pointing that out was hate speech.

The brooh-haha that morris and Schmidt caused protecting the crook caused a huge amount of research to get pulled and probably someone got scammed because that information was no longer available on the net. So I don't see any loss to either of them.

I don't think the JH thread(s) compare. Yep, there was snarking, but overall it was trying to cover issues that were pretty well documented or limited to personal experiences. That's a huge cry from Capt.Kirk's babbling and clear lack of knowledge/practical experience in a vast amount of the ares he covered. That on its own wasn't enough though, he had to insult those who WERE highly experienced and trying to share information.

Some folks at TrumpetMaster wrote on a thread that they missed Capt.Kirk for the humor value and would pop over to TH for laughs. So except for the folks who looked at CK's posts for the humor value, I truly doubt he will be missed.

On the other hand the loss of Josh, Trent, Adam, and who knows how many more clearly WILL be missed and hopefully we can quickly get them back.
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Adam R. Getzen · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Isn't enough enough?

PH · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:20 am Post subject:

Conn Collector · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:09 am Post subject:

I have been sent an interesting PM that I would like to respond to here.
I have deleted the sender's name to protect his identity.

PH · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:16 am Post subject:

Moderators can't read your private messages. They are private.
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VetPsychWars · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:22 am Post subject:

Since I started the thread, I'll respond in general to your points. And, I am not blameless; I have said that somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

The point of Capt. Kirk is that he did not learn from the comments made on his postings, and most of them were beyond any sort of relevance to trumpet playing. It was not any one posting, it was the collective weight of hundreds of postings, almost none of which said anything of substance. I was shocked the other day when he said something short and to the point and that I made an effort to say that I agreed with it.

The moderators here choose to use a light touch. It appears to be what the site owner prefers. It's ok to abandon a forum you don't like. I've done it myself.

But enough members here have commented on his posts, first in a respectful way, and, yes, escalating into what could be described as adolescent behavior, in an attempt to get him to self-moderate. It seems clear to me that he had no ability to self-moderate.

It seems to me that it also crosses the line when he says something like "Getzen has no desire to innovate, they just want to fleece their customers selling the same old junk" (Adam, I don't believe that one minute, it's an example). He could have said, instead, "I have these great ideas for products that no one in the market is doing and I think when people see them, they will be very excited."

See the difference?

But, to summarize, it was his inability to self-moderate over a number of years that caused his expulsion.

Tom
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Crazy Finn · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:53 pm Post subject:

EBjazz · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject:

The problem with Kirk was that you'd have to read 14 paragraphs to find the insult and even then the grammar was so bad that you still weren't sure what the hell he was talking about.

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Avan · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:03 am Post subject:

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Internet forums reflect the absence of civility in the real world, much of which is heightened by an acceptance of coarseness in popular culture with no emphasis on consequences.
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zackh411 · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject:

Maybe I'm late to the party here, but did Kirk actually get banned?
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