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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Caruso on Mouthpiece Reply with quote

Has anyone ever done Caruso on the mouthpiece alone? I've been low on practice time due to a lot of driving and have been doing some buzzing in the car. Then I got the idea to do Caruso exercises on the mouthpiece. It's pretty tough, but the blow is all different, so I don't know if it's a good idea.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carmine told me to NEVER play anything on just the mouthpiece. Carmine did give me (and most of his other longtime students) MP drills to do, but he always advised us to do the drill on the MP and then immediatly do it again on the trumpet. He was definitely against doing drills on just the MP without immediately relating it to the trumpet. Laurie Frink told me the exact same thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOOOOOO!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:
NOOOOOO!!!!!!

I'm a little confused, is that a yes?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:
NOOOOOO!!!!!!


Hahaha.

Like others mention, the chance of it going wrong are greater than the possible benefits.

I am reluctant to suggest it because it might be controversial, but I have had a few number of colleagues swear by the PETE when they are low on practice time.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carmine said that trumpet playing wasn't about strength so much as coordination and balance. The CC calisthenics are designed to that end.

Two other things that are from me, not Carmine.

1) if you want to do mouthpiece work other than the few drills that might be assigned by a knowledgable Caruso trained teacher, I recommend doing (only) the first few exercises in the James Thompson books. Do them as indicated/demonstrated on the CD & always do them with the accompanying tracks. Thompson studied with Carmine and I see the influence of CC philosophy in his method. Alex Yates turned me on to this stuff and she is the authority I would trust.

2) I have never tried the PETE, but I would be very wary. I have two friends-professional players- that injured themselves badly by misuse/overuse of the PETE.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll include myself on the "no" bandwagon. I did some note bending drills on the mouthpiece for Carmine but they were followed by immediately trying to replicate the action using the trumpet.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carmine used several pages of the Schlossberg book for a very focused and specific free buzz and/or mouthpiece drill regimen. The exercises always had the student play the exercise (as he would specify) on the mouthpiece first... then play it the same way on the horn. For some students he would have them free buzz the exercise, then play it on the mouthpiece and then play it on the horn. Always ending with the horn. The exercises were all lip bending in nature.

And for many who he believed didn't need it, he didn't assign any mouthpiece work.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Thanks for the help. I knew it didn't seem right based on my understanding of the philosophy.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago, I had to go out of town for a family visit the weekend before the opening rehearsals of a new show. So, I buzzed Caruso 2nds on the mouthpiece in the car. It drove the kids and wife crazy.

When we got home I picked up the trumpet and sounded like a wet dead fish. My chops where totally blown out. I am a Caruso student and should have known better.

After a day off and making promises I could not keep, my chops came back in time for the first rehearsal.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the logical follow-up question is: is a practice mute ok? Practice mutes also feel totally different to me than normal open playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

horntooter wrote:
I guess the logical follow-up question is: is a practice mute ok? Practice mutes also feel totally different to me than normal open playing.


Doing Caruso in a mute teaches you how to play in a mute. It won't help your ability to play the open trumpet in more than a VERY limited way...and it might cause problems to boot.
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