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johnlanglois
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:30 pm    Post subject: Cornet Versus Trumpet on Range Reply with quote

I have been playing a Blessing XL Cornet. My range tops out around D above high C. I played a friends trumpet and topped out a couple of notes nigher. It also felt like there was less pressure in the horn.

Is the trumpet by its nature going to offer more range than a cornet?

Arban wrote that high C was a limit that composers ought to respect. Has the manufacturing technology improved so much in 150 years that we should expect all players to work comfortably in the upper register?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the same mouthpiece, I have about the same range on either. I tire out on cornet a bit faster up there, though. If you play cornet with a mouthpiece like a Wick or Curry BBC, though, there will be more of a difference in range and endurance, especially if you play trumpet on a fairly shallow mouthpiece.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want to play big band lead on the equipment that Arban played on in the late 1800's! He was right, High C was plenty them especially on those cookie cutter rimmed deep V-cups they used to use.

Today he would probably stretch that range a bit higher.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horst Fischer has no trouble with a double G on this recording





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

superviking805 wrote:
Horst Fischer has no trouble with a double G on this recording





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Thanks for the Video, I had never heard of him, checked out some videos and music after I saw this.

Man this guy was amazing.................

Now will spend my day listening to him........

Just simply Amazing, wonder where and or how he studied trumpet ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:57 am    Post subject: WOW - just one octave higher than Maynards version Reply with quote

Just had to post it !!

Listen for yourself !!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

superviking805 wrote:
Horst Fischer has no trouble with a double G on this recording





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I would never have guessed in a million years he was playing cornet, guess with the fanfares my brain just filled in the gaps for trumpet tone.

Any way you slice it, one of the monster players of all time.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Herbert Clarke spoke about playing routinely to double high C. We all know he was not a fan of the "devilish" trumpet either...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Grand Rapids cornet that was made in 1885. I had the same range but did notice my flexibility was better on cornet. I know that older cornets had a conical bore, my Yamaha Bobbby Shew Trumpet has a similar bore. I found the flexibility issue to be easier than my Olds Recording Model.
I don't know if modern day cornets are made the same as the old days. The Grand Rapids is the only cornet I have ever played. I don't own it any more.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In high school I had both and always used my cornet for upper register. It was easier to spot and the notes are easier to play. Same mouthpiece on both. The difference being I believe the trumpet was a ML bore while the cornet was a L bore. Both Bach instruments. I believe it will depend on the instrument.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Cornet Versus Trumpet on Range Reply with quote

johnlanglois wrote:
I have been playing a Blessing XL Cornet. My range tops out around D above high C. I played a friends trumpet and topped out a couple of notes nigher. It also felt like there was less pressure in the horn.

Is the trumpet by its nature going to offer more range than a cornet?

Arban wrote that high C was a limit that composers ought to respect. Has the manufacturing technology improved so much in 150 years that we should expect all players to work comfortably in the upper register?

Thanks.


If everything else is equal,
such as using a trumpet versus cornet pair that looks identical
(Conn 40B versus Conn 40A, for example),
and using the same model mouthpiece,
then the only significant difference will be the smaller backbore within the smaller cornet mouthpiece shank.
That makes the cornet offer a little bit more resistance or support than a trumpet.
For some players, that extra resistance will help the upper register.
For other players that extra resistance will hinder the upper register.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Arban was taking into account the practical difficulties of the state of the art of instrument manufacturing of the day, the characteristics of typical contemporary mouthpieces - thin sharp rims and large throats, and maintaining the contemporary view of the cornet as being a lyrical instrument, not a fanfare instrument.

When I still had my uncle's cornet, I had the same range, irrespective of which instrument (cornet or trumpet) or which mouthpieces.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kryl had no problems with either extreme upper register or pedal tones on his old cornet...

Of course that doesn't mean he couldn't have done the same on a trumpet. I don't think I notice much difference either way.
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