Flugel and trumpet stands

[johannestrpt]

Hey

I have had some basic K&M trumpet and flugelhorn stands and I have lost my flugelhorn stand and I am looking for a new one. I am trying to find a good one that I can use while standing that is lifted a bit up.

Has anyone experience with this one http://www.musiciansfriend.com/trumpet-cornet-flugelhorn-stands/hamilton-systemx-series-trumpet-cornet-flugelhorn-soprano-saxophone-stand#productDetail ?

[Brad361]

Hate to be a Debbie Downer here, but I bought that exact stand a few years ago ........and returned it almost immediately. In my opinion, it was very poorly made, and all the adjustments simply did not work. A total piece of junk, IMO.

The Hercules 3 leg stand is about the best one that I've seen recently for a little more height, I have also known guys who use the old Hamilton, but they use the trombone version because it's higher. I also have the KM five leg flugel stand, which I use more often, but it is quite low to the ground. If you're in the habit of leaving your horn on the stand unattended (I never do), it's pretty easy for someone walking by to actually step on the bell.

Brad
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[johannestrpt]

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the hercules 3 leg stand but isnt it unbalanced? Is it so heavy that you can for example have one horn on it ?

[astadler]

I have a Hercules triple and single stand, and I love them both. They are a little unbalance for the height. Personally I sawed off part of the stand to shorten it, but I know some people have added weights to the base to solve the problem as well. For height, that would be the way to go, and it's great to have the ability to pick and choose how many/what types of stands you want on it.

[ChopsGone]

I have a Hercules triple, and it's definitely unbalanced in some situations. If you want to put a single cornet on it and no other horns, you'll need to remove the screw on the center piece and locate the horn holder there. I haven't tried it with two horns, but suspect it might still present some problems. My main complaint about it, other than the center screw requiring a Phillips screwdriver to remove it, is that the provided rubber tips aren't small enough to allow the rods to be inserted far enough into the bell to bring the weight down closer to the base. I guess if you want something you could use while standing up, it might be OK. I'm sticking with my K&M's.
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[zaferis]

find yourself a trombone stand, like the old school Hamilton stand
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[Crazy Finn]

[homebilly]

the new Hamiltons are nothing like the old ones. try to find an old one
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[Crazy Finn]

[homebilly]

I have three from the mid 70s and about 5 years ago I bought 4 new ones.
the new ones are just cheap and poorly made.

they use cheap metal that bends easily and the size is slightly bigger. the
legs are longer and overall it's hard to adjust.

I'll take some pictures to post later today

it's what also happened to the Spyder stand which was great when made in
Germany and less great now that they are made in China. they are also
much more expensive. there is slightly less difference between the Spyders
but a difference nonetheless. the new ones are black.

the German made ones came in blue, red and I have seen some beige ones.
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[Crazy Finn]

[homebilly]

here you go











you can see the bend in the leg in photo nº6
i also had to add a plumbers band to stand the plastic bell mold
off of the twist knob.

rubber feet are not interchangeable

made in vietnam

[Dale Proctor]

For flugelhorn, I use an old Hamilton stand with a larger rubber tip (from a hardware store). It's just pushed over the smaller one that came on the stand. I cut a circle of chamois for each rest to cushion the bell a bit and prevent scratches.


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[Crazy Finn]

Mine look like the ones that Dale has pictured - minus the hardware store tip. Thanks Dale!
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[Ercc16]

The best stand ive used and honestly the best investment ive made on regards to an instrument stand is the hurcules tripple horn stand. It has a wide base and two trumpet pegs and on flugel peg. Very sturdy and very well made. If youre looking for a stand that is well worth the money and gives you the best bang for your buck id recommend getting one of them.

[Yammie]

I agree with the comments that new Hamiltons are really only Hamilton Shaped Objects of really poor quality.

K&M trombone stands are great quality, and very heavy duty. I don't think chrome is available any more, but their black finish holds up very well. Horn Guys always has them (www.hornguys.com).

K&M also makes a taller stand that uses the same horn holder as their compact five leg models, but on a taller base. The base isn't really wide, though, so I wouldn't recommend it for stage use. K&M also makes a great gadget for anyone who has their compact stands. They make a plastic threaded post (I found them at Dillon's) that accepts their horn stand tops, and for a beast of a multi-horn stand, you can attach them to a slab of hardwood with rounded over edges. My plan for them is to attach them to the thick top of the small repurposed nightstand I use in my studio for metronome, tuner, oil, coffee...the essentials. Add the three K&M posts firmly anchored to the top and they're not really on the way. When you add the horn stand tops, it's a very heavy tall horn stand, and you can still take the horn stand tops and use them on their five pegged base if you need portability.
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[Brad361]

Not terribly relevant I guess, but I just now dug out one of my old (like probably 1974) Hamilton stands....it IS considerably more stable than the three leg Hercules. Popped a Crown Royal bag over the peg (the plastic round base the bell rests on is a bit dinged up), gonna use it on the gig tonight.

Brad
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[trumpseoso]

My old Hamilton stand from early 1970's Air Force days had deteriorated soft parts. I called Hamilton to order replacements and they said "warranted for life" and shipped everything at no cost. Got new leg tips as well as the cushion and end piece for the bell. I use a Hercules Triple for big band gigs. I'm in a Quintet and made a peg for my picc that fits in place of one of the trumpet parts. Now I can have a Bb, Flugel, and Picc on the same stand. Hercules is well made but you have to watch balance or a horn can tip the whole unit over. I never leave horns on stands unattended however.

[seilogramp]