NEW Bach Commercial Trumpet Mouthpieces

cheiden · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:23 am Post subject:

From the responses I've read it sound like the MV might be more accurately called an SV. And that a somewhat deeper MV might be a popular option.

After markp's mixed review I'm just slightly more optimistic about trying one.
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gregplo · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:35 am Post subject:

Dale Proctor · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:38 am Post subject:

I wonder how the 3MV compares with a Curry 3M or 3Z? Not having seen the Bach, I'd guess it may be similar to the 3Z, but I'm just guessing...
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rap · Regular Member Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 53 Location: UK

Can anyone who’s tried a 10.5MV and 10.5S give an idea of how they compare to each other and perhaps to other pieces.

Still confused over why the inner rim diameter measurements of the two cups differ.

I appreciate that getting one may be the only way to really know but hearing experiences does help.

Ragnarok · Regular Member Joined: 21 Mar 2016 Posts: 31

I was at my local music store today getting a little work done on one of my horns. To my surprise they had an entire selection of Bach Commercial mouthpieces, 3S and 3MV all the way to the 10 1/2S and MV. They also had a silver large bore Bach Commercial and a silver ML Bach Commercial. Really surprising for a local shop.

I got a large practice room and went to work. I quickly decided that I didn't like any of the MV mouthpieces. They played well but I am not used to the V style cup and the S felt much more familiar and playable. The MV cup did get a warmer sound when you backed off but wasn't as easy in the upper register to control (for me). After I ruled out the MV cups, I ruled out the the 3 as too big and the 10 1/2 and 7 as too small for me, the 10.5 felt REALLY small. I'm primarily an orchestral player and going from my 1C rim, the 5S ultimately felt the most comfortable for me. Upper register was great, sound was fat, consistent and really lit up. I was REALLY surprised. Did not come in looking for a mouthpiece but I left with the 5S. Really fantastic mouthpieces. All of the rims were very soft and comfortable and weren't sharp. I highly recommend them.

Both of the Bach Commercial were incredibly nice as well. The large bore was great, sizzling and exciting but ultimately too much for me. I preferred the ML with the more square tuning slide. The rounded slide was nice and slippery but the square gave me a little more stability that I appreciated as a classical musician. Beautiful sound that could really sizzle. If I had an extra 3K I would have walked out with it for sure.

For now, I'll settle for my new 5S.

Ragnarok · Regular Member Joined: 21 Mar 2016 Posts: 31

razeontherock · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject:

Markp, I'm curious what will happen to your sound on your normal mpc if you play this 3MV for a few days or so. The way my chops respond to things like that is to get a better sound on the deeper mpc, but that improvement goes away after a few days of playing the bigger piece exclusively.

tptguy · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:03 am Post subject:

A bigger cup produces a wider sound around the player. Most players confuse this with a 'better sound'. They mistakenly think it's a bigger sound even when it's smaller out front, where it counts. And their bandmates, who sit right near them, also hear the wider sound as bigger and confuse the situation more.

Players with good ears recognize the new sound as flat and with less presence. So they unconsciously lip the pitch back up - and typically, blow harder. If this becomes too much of a strain for the chops or ears then they move back. Raz, perhaps this is what you have experienced.

I'm not suggesting that everyone start playing on the smallest piece available. Ultra shallow pieces are excellent practice tools, but that doesn't mean you or your conductor must prefer that sound out front. Nonetheless, spreading the sound without engaging the ears is an even worse evil - and far too common.

rap · Regular Member Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 53 Location: UK

Thanks (Ragnarok) for sharing your experience on the 10.5 pieces.

I've just ordered a 10.5MV which I'm told will take about two weeks to arrive. I currently play a Warburton 8M so hopefully the inner rim diameter won't be too far away from that kind of size.

Thanks,
Rich

lexluther · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:02 pm Post subject: Bach Commercial MP

Hopefully this lands in the Bach Commercial Thread as it is my first post. I am a 3C player and was interested in the commercial MP. I didn't see much out there on comparisons, so here is my 2 cents. As I said I play both a Bach 3C and a 3D. Primarily 90% on th 3D. I ordered a 3MV and a 3S. In comparison with the 3C, the 3MV is quite a bit shallower. It is V cupped, It reminds me of a 3D with a V Cup. The rim is comfortable to me and coming off a Bach 3, I acclimated to it very easily. The sound on the 3MV seems to me to be not as bright as a 3D, I really like it (darker, fuller sound). I don't feel that the rim is any larger than a traditional 3C, I do feel that is much more comfortable though. The 3S is more bowl shaped, think 3D in the Professional line. I like the 3S, but I love the 3MV! I thinks the 3MV is a nice nich imbetween the traditional 3C and the 3D. I hope this helps for anyone thinking about this MP.

Louise Finch · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Bach Commercial MP

darndt · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:20 am Post subject:

BudBix · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:14 am Post subject:

Anybody compared a 3S or 5S to a Schilke 14A4a or Warburton S cup? Iâ€™m curious. I can play shallow pieces but need some undercut, like the Warburton S.

HooverdaGroover · New Member Joined: 29 Aug 2018 Posts: 1

trumpethead · Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:23 pm Post subject:

Wesley

I have used the 3mv with both my 1958 Paris heavy weight large bore (.470+) Bb and Bb Wild Thing. I found greater durability and range with it than my usual Bach 1-1/2C.

I am going to try the commercial 7mv next for two reasons. My wife noticed (1) no change in tone on either horn and (2) I want to play longer stretches. A little less fight with the upper register as time ticks on...

Wes